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Re: Of accents & dialects

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 17:04
On 2008-10-21 Lars Finsen wrote:
> Still I think the concept of the difference between a dialect and the > standard language spoken with a regional accent is a little > confusing. If a dialect loses all its distinct morphology, but keeps > its phonology, will linguists stop calling it a dialect and begin to > refer to it as a regional accent only?
Yes.
> How much of the morphology > needs to remain for the dialect to remain a dialect?
This can only be decided subjectively -- i.e. in terms of a standard-speakers perception of differentness. In the end it is a political decision.
> And to what > extent can you really separate morphology from phonology for this > classification?
Because linguists have observed that phonology is much more resilient against standardization than morphology they have found it useful to make this decision. In the end this is also political: it happens to be the case that in English morphology and vocabulary are pretty rigidly standardized, while phonological standardization is much more fluid, changeable over time, geographically variable and subjective. Before sound recording and phonetic script it was literally harder to codify pronunciation. Even if you had the ideal that each letter or di-(/tri-/...)graph of the orthography corresponded to a phoneme -- which they hardly had in English-speaking counries -- it was hard to put on paper how the phonemes should be realized. /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ A h-ammen ledin i phith! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ____ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /Roccondil\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine __ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ Gwaedhvenn Angeliniel\ \______/ /a/ /_h-adar Merthol naun ~~~~~~~~~Kuinondil~~~\________/~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda kuivie aiya! ||