Re: Lucus (was: Re: Judajca)

Hello,

Tim May:

>  > Yep. But please don't use the form _Volodymyr_ too often. It is the
>  > Ukrainian form of the (not exactly) Russian _Vladimir_ (my
> dad's name
>  > :-)), Old Russian _Volodimer(')_, and using it outside radical
>  > pro-Ukrainian circles is rather ridiculuous.
>  >
> Well, I'm aware that it's the Ukrainian form, but I have to use one
> form or another, and that's how I saw it first, in a book on Ukrainian
> history (but not radically pro-Ukrainian by any means - _Borderland_,
> by Anna Reid
Well, that's for one thing totally incorrect linguistically, and anyway
the attempts to see Ukraine as _the true Rus'_, and hence the
Ukraininzation of history date to 1900-1910s, when Ukraine first
achieved independence. Thus, Hrushves'kyj (the Ukrainian Prime Minister
for a time, BTW) was the first AFAIR to use "Rus'-Ukrayina" (or was it
Kotlyarevs'kyj?). I don't understand why people can't see the history of
Rus' as the history of Rus', and not the history of Ukraine, Russia or
whatever.

> There's a Ukrainian statue of him in London, on Holland Park Lane,
> which uses that name, and Kiev's in Ukraine now, anyway.  (And I'm 3/8
> Ukrainian by ancestry, via Pennsylvania.)  But if you find it
> ridiculous, then by all means I'll call him Vladimir.
_I_ don't care :-) It was just friendly advice :-)

> > > Thereby, in a no-doubt-
> > > rather-simplified version of history, we get the influence of the
> > > orthodox church throughout the slavic world.
> >
> > Not really, Moravia and Poland were alreadu close to being converted
> > into Catholicism by the time.
> >
> You're right of course - really I was just trying to avoid any
> specific mention of Russia, on the grounds that it would offend
> Ukrainian nationalists.  (Why I allowed this to affect my phrasing, I
> don't know.)
Hmm, are there any Ukrainian nationalists here? I guess they going to be
the spooks of the list now, to join left-handed Lithuanians.

> > An intersting thought, though :-) Why not join Slaviconlang on this?
:-)
> >
> Maybe sometime I will - right now my a priori conlanging is going
> slowly enough without starting a new project. :-)
Just to remind: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/slaviconlang

Pavel
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Pavel Iosad               pavel_iosad@mail.ru

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