Re: Lucus (was: Re: Judajca)

Pavel Iosad writes:
 > Hello,
 >
 > Tim May:
 >
 > >  > Yep. But please don't use the form _Volodymyr_ too often. It is the
 > >  > Ukrainian form of the (not exactly) Russian _Vladimir_ (my
 > > dad's name
 > >  > :-)), Old Russian _Volodimer(')_, and using it outside radical
 > >  > pro-Ukrainian circles is rather ridiculuous.
 > >  >
 > > Well, I'm aware that it's the Ukrainian form, but I have to use one
 > > form or another, and that's how I saw it first, in a book on Ukrainian
 > > history (but not radically pro-Ukrainian by any means - _Borderland_,
 > > by Anna Reid
 >
 > Well, that's for one thing totally incorrect linguistically, and anyway
 > the attempts to see Ukraine as _the true Rus'_, and hence the
 > Ukraininzation of history date to 1900-1910s, when Ukraine first
 > achieved independence. Thus, Hrushves'kyj (the Ukrainian Prime Minister
 > for a time, BTW) was the first AFAIR to use "Rus'-Ukrayina" (or was it
 > Kotlyarevs'kyj?). I don't understand why people can't see the history of
 > Rus' as the history of Rus', and not the history of Ukraine, Russia or
 > whatever.
 >

I quite agree, to the extent that I am even sufficiently informed to
have an opinion (although it would appear to me that any complete
history of either Russia or Ukraine can hardly fail to begin with the
Rus).

Incidentally, is it known how V. would have pronounced his own name, in
10th century Kievan East-Slavonic?