Re: transcription questions

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From: "Joseph Fatula" <fatula3@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: transcription questions


> (Using X-SAMPA below)
>
> Hmm... Reading over your descriptions, I get exactly the first one (and
know
> why you'd use "hk" for it), and I think I understand the second.
>
> On first guess, I'd use /M\_0_h k/.  It seems to me that it is an unvoiced
> approximant (with aspiration) at the velar place of articulation, followed
> by an unvoiced stop.  If you want, you could mark it all /M\_0_h k_}/ to
> indicate that the stop has no audible release.
>
> Trying it again now, I find that such a sound has three major components:
> breathing out, a brief fricativization, and a stop.  So maybe the best way
> to represent it would be simply /hxk/.
>
> I'm finding that you can easily vary how much fricativity there is, so it
> could range from /hk/ to /hxk/.  And you could easily change the place of
> articulation, such that you get:
>
> /hfp/
> /hst/
> /hCc/
> /hxk/
> /hXQ/
> etc.
>
> The fricative is either brief or nonexistent, depending greatly on what
> you're trying to do.  This all assuming that I understand the sound you're
> making.
       I think so -- it's a pretty easy sound to make, and I see what you're
saying about being able to change how fricative it is. It's something I
haven't tried before,  but not at all difficult. The original sound is less
fricative than /hxk/, but I think that certainly beats writing /M\_0_h k/.

> As for "tth", it seems to be just /T/ with a lot of hissing and force.  I
> don't believe IPA indicates such features for general transcription.  I do
> know that they have a set of symbols for recording "disordered" speech,
> mainly distinguishing smaller or non-phonemic characteristics, like this
> hissing.  I have an IPA handbook around somewhere which I think has those
> listed.  I'll see if I can find out some more.
       When people write out the phonologies for their lang, do they assign
and use new characters for sounds like this? This is my first attempt at
trying to negotiate my language with IPA/X-SAMPA.

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