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Re: new lang: karath

From:Joseph Fatula <fatula3@...>
Date:Saturday, December 7, 2002, 2:30
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From: "Robert B Wilson" <han_solo55@...>
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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: new lang: karath

> here's a new conlang i've made. > > phonemes: > > p [p] > b [b] > t [t] > d [d] > k [k] > g [g] > > r [4] > l [l] > > h indicates a fricative (<ph>=[f], <dh>=[D]); rh=[r], lh=[l]
Unless I'm mistaken, "lh" and "l" represent the same sound? That's allowed, but I'm just checking if that's so or just a typo.
> n indicates a nasal (<pn>=[m_0], <dn>=[n]); rn=[r], ln=[L]
Same question here, "rn" and "rh" seem the same.
> w indicates labialization (<tw>=[t_w], <kw>=[k_w]) > j indicates palatalization (<tj>=[t_j], <kj>=[k_j])
Are these examples the only labialized and palatalized consonants? For example, could I have "gw" or "dnj"?
> a [@] > e [Ei] > i [ae] > o [au] > u [M] > â [a] > ê [i] > î [Ei] > ô [oU] > û [u]
Hmm... you've got an interesting transcription scheme for the vowels. And again, it looks like two of them are the same, "e" and "î".
> direct article: -h- > _geb_ 'word', _gheb_ 'the word' > _kar_ 'person', _khar_ 'the person
How do you know where to put the "-h-"? Is it always after the first consonant, or before the last vowel? If "kobîln" means "cowboy", then is "the cowboy" : "khobîln" or "kobhîln"?
> cases: > Agent - > Patient -e- > agent _kar_, patient _kaer_
Same question regarding placement of infixes.
> genitive -a > instrumental -he > > number: > singular - > dual bo- > <a few> -wi
I take it you don't know the term for this - not surprising as it's not all too common. The term I've seen is "paucal", sometimes defined more specifically as "less than ten" or some such.
> plural -î- > _kar_, pl. _kaîr_ > > verbs: > > aorist - > present -a > past -ê- > future -lô > > continuative -a- > perfective -ê > futurative -lô- > > abilitive bnâ- > obligative -ô- > desirative -dnukh > optative -(e)tnkhetn > subjunctive -h > imperative -i > interrogative wô-
You've got a pretty large set of mood/aspect markers here, rather interesting. Is there any reason why some are prefixes and others suffixes? And when is the (e) required? i.e., what sorts of consonant clusters are allowed?
> personal pronouns: > pat. agnt. > 1sg dne -(e)tn > 1pl bnê -(e)bn > 2sg te -(e)d > 2pl pê -(e)p > 3sg ke -(e)g > 3pl tê -(e)t
Does the suffix here go on the verb or the pronoun?
> adjectives: > an adjective is prefixed with a vowel that is also prefixed to the noun > that it modifies. > _bnul_ 'tall'; _kar_ 'person'; _abnul akar_, _akar abnul_, _ebnul ekar_, > _ekar ebnul_, etc. 'tall person'
I don't understand this part here. Do you mean that any vowel prefix on an adjective is also prefixed to the noun it modifies, or that if a noun has a vowel prefix, that it is prefixed to the adjective?
> Robert Wilson > > I yessessë Eru ontanë Menel ar Cemen. > I yessessë ëa Quetta ar Quetta né as Eru ar Eru né Quetta.
Looks interesting so far, I'd love to see a sample of the language written out. Or better yet, a sound clip of it! Joe Fatula