Re: new lang: karath
|From:||Joseph Fatula <fatula3@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, December 7, 2002, 2:30|
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert B Wilson" <han_solo55@...>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: new lang: karath
> here's a new conlang i've made.
> p [p]
> b [b]
> t [t]
> d [d]
> k [k]
> g [g]
> r 
> l [l]
> h indicates a fricative (<ph>=[f], <dh>=[D]); rh=[r], lh=[l]
Unless I'm mistaken, "lh" and "l" represent the same sound? That's allowed,
but I'm just checking if that's so or just a typo.
> n indicates a nasal (<pn>=[m_0], <dn>=[n]); rn=[r], ln=[L]
Same question here, "rn" and "rh" seem the same.
> w indicates labialization (<tw>=[t_w], <kw>=[k_w])
> j indicates palatalization (<tj>=[t_j], <kj>=[k_j])
Are these examples the only labialized and palatalized consonants? For
example, could I have "gw" or "dnj"?
> a [@]
> e [Ei]
> i [ae]
> o [au]
> u [M]
> â [a]
> ê [i]
> î [Ei]
> ô [oU]
> û [u]
Hmm... you've got an interesting transcription scheme for the vowels. And
again, it looks like two of them are the same, "e" and "î".
> direct article: -h-
> _geb_ 'word', _gheb_ 'the word'
> _kar_ 'person', _khar_ 'the person
How do you know where to put the "-h-"? Is it always after the first
consonant, or before the last vowel? If "kobîln" means "cowboy", then is
"the cowboy" : "khobîln" or "kobhîln"?
> Agent -
> Patient -e-
> agent _kar_, patient _kaer_
Same question regarding placement of infixes.
> genitive -a
> instrumental -he
> singular -
> dual bo-
> <a few> -wi
I take it you don't know the term for this - not surprising as it's not all
too common. The term I've seen is "paucal", sometimes defined more
specifically as "less than ten" or some such.
> plural -î-
> _kar_, pl. _kaîr_
> aorist -
> present -a
> past -ê-
> future -lô
> continuative -a-
> perfective -ê
> futurative -lô-
> abilitive bnâ-
> obligative -ô-
> desirative -dnukh
> optative -(e)tnkhetn
> subjunctive -h
> imperative -i
> interrogative wô-
You've got a pretty large set of mood/aspect markers here, rather
interesting. Is there any reason why some are prefixes and others suffixes?
And when is the (e) required? i.e., what sorts of consonant clusters are
> personal pronouns:
> pat. agnt.
> 1sg dne -(e)tn
> 1pl bnê -(e)bn
> 2sg te -(e)d
> 2pl pê -(e)p
> 3sg ke -(e)g
> 3pl tê -(e)t
Does the suffix here go on the verb or the pronoun?
> an adjective is prefixed with a vowel that is also prefixed to the noun
> that it modifies.
> _bnul_ 'tall'; _kar_ 'person'; _abnul akar_, _akar abnul_, _ebnul ekar_,
> _ekar ebnul_, etc. 'tall person'
I don't understand this part here. Do you mean that any vowel prefix on an
adjective is also prefixed to the noun it modifies, or that if a noun has a
vowel prefix, that it is prefixed to the adjective?
Looks interesting so far, I'd love to see a sample of the language written
out. Or better yet, a sound clip of it!
> Robert Wilson
> I yessessë Eru ontanë Menel ar Cemen.
> I yessessë ëa Quetta ar Quetta né as Eru ar Eru né Quetta.