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Re: Diphthongs (was Re: 3 q's - X-Sampa)

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Friday, February 13, 2004, 12:13
Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:

> Cf. also Icelandic, which actually distinguishes long > and short *diphthongs*, in practice e.g. /a:w/ vs. /aw/. > Not observing this is perhaps the single greatest fault > with my Icelandic accent. OTOH I do distingish _hv_ [x]
? My very limited experience says [xv_0] or the like. Would also seem more expected diachronically.
> from _kv_ [kv_0]. Most Icelanders don't preserve that > distinction, but doing it is considered elegant. For me > it facilitates remembering the spelling! :)
> > >Also Finnish vowels, including > > >diphthongs, are longer overall than in most other > > >European languages (at least Swedish ;). A Finnish > > ...snip... > > >impression of Paula's pronunciation. Her /'paula/ > > >is about 150% as long as my Swedish pronunciation > > >of her name. > > > >Does that mean Swedish spoken by Finns sounds slow or stretched? > > No, not excessively so, but their long vowels may sound funny > sometimes.
It could be just the non-representative subset of Finns I know, but I do tend to think of Finns as slow-speaking.
> Generally the tendency not to make contrasts like > ptk/bdg, _u/y_, and to hack away excessive initial consonants > are much more apparent, and much more disturbing. > > At 00:53 13.2.2004, Dirk Elzinga wrote: > > >Some languages have falling (and I think rising)diphthongs with ï > >(barred-i > >[1]) and/or schwa-- Thai and Vietnamese spring to mind. > > > >ObNumic: Colorado River Numic has falling diphthongs with [1]. From > >Chemehuevi (this is the "official" orthography; <ü> is [1]): > > > >aüga 'new, young' > >ha'aü 'oh!' > >kwaü 'in (time); ago; from now' > >maü 'make' > >paüpi 'blood' > > So do some accents of Welsh, i.e. written _au_ etc. > are /Ai\/ etc. Also the Norwegian diphthong spelled > _au_ is /&u\/ for most speakers, and not a few Swedes > have /a8/ in e.g. _paus_. I have /Au/, but that may > be influence from my German L1.5.
I've got [aU]. Andreas