Re: [QUESTION] Rounded sibilants?

2008/5/5 John Vertical <johnvertical@...>:
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 16:18:12 +0200, Benct Philip
> Jonsson wrote:
>
>  >The _w diacritic stands for 'labialized' which is
>  >different beast from rounding, which is IIRC _O in CXS
>  >and a subscript right half circle in IPA. Ladefoged
>  >defined rounding as adduction of the corners of the
>  >lips, as to form an [u], but labialization as adduction
>  >of the middles of the lips as to form a /B/, or a /b/
>  >without quite closing the lips.
>
>  A rather clear distinction, but outside of trying to
>  describe the Swedish vowels you mention, I've never seen
>  /_w/ used for vowels or /_O/ for consonants...
Probably because the distinction normally isn't crucial
outside of describing those Swedish vowelsm, but IME
sibilants in Swedish, English and German usually are
rounded, not labialized, by Ladefoged's definitions.
So are all the allophones of /r/ [r\ 4 r] which I use BTW,
and I definitely have a [z\_O] for /j/ in words like _nöjd_,
and a [z\_O=:] for /y/ in words like _ny_!

>  I'm not sure where the extIPA /_9/ (superscript oe
>  ligature) is supposed to fit into this, either.
How is it described?  Perhaps it should rather be _H

>  John Vertical
>


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