Re: verbs = nouns? (in Hebrew)

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:11:43 +0200 Dan Sulani <dnsulani@...>
writes:
> Vav-less and with a segol. By "the same pattern" I was referring to
> how the
> words  _sounded_  in Israeli pronounciation, trying to stay with the
>    _o_e_  vowel pattern. I wasn't referring to the written forms or
> the
> historical
> developments they reflect.
-

So Israelis put the accent on the /e/ and not the /o/?

> >PS- i don't remember if you responded to it... did you see a few
> months
> >(or maybe less) ago when i mentioned that i had found a book on
> >children's acquisition of Hebrew at my campus bookstore's random
> book
> >sale?  it talked about the *_`alo_ for _alav_ issue, among other
> things.
>     Sorry, Steg. I don't recall that post, but it does sound
> interesting.
>  Are you referring here to the suffix for "his, plural"?  If so,
> perhaps the
> book
>  has information which might be of use to me: Among the children
> whose speech I treat, there are some who consistantly
> pronounce -alav as /alo/.
>     Could you possibly provide me with the name of the book and the
> author? Maybe I can get hold of a copy over here. Thanks.
>
> Dan Sulani
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It's called _Language Change in Child and Adult Hebrew: A
Psycholinguistic Perspective_, by Dorit Diskin Ravid.
By _`alav_ i meant {3LYV}, "on-him".
She has a little chart here:

Table 16. Case-Marked Pronouns Items

Free Form ~ Inflected Form: Normative ~ Nonstandard ~ Gloss

et ~ ot-ax ~ ot-ex ~ Accusative, you, Fm Sg
mi- ~ mim-xa ~ me-ata ~ from-you
al ~ al-av ~ alo ~ on-him
kmo ~ kamó-xa ~ kmo ata ~ on-him
bli ~ biladáy-ix ~ bli at ~ without-you, Fm


-Stephen (Steg)
 "for you i will also give... a ferret."
     ~ *not* Eyal Golan, "Yafa Sheli"