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Fourth Persons

From:Eldin Raigmore <eldin_raigmore@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 16:36
Several different phenomena in various natlangs have been
called "fourth person" at one time or another by one professional-
linguist author or another.

Here are the ones I can think of at the moment (this list may, or may
not, be complete; does anyone know? If you do, please post the
answer here.)

1. Indefinite pronouns (e.g. "one" in English, "en" in French);
2. Obviatives in languages with Hierarchical Alignment Systems and
Direct/Inverse Voice Systems;
3. Long-Distance Reflexives (or L.D. Anaphora) in languages that have
them.
4. Logophoric Pronouns in languages that have them.

My question is this:
How hard is it to fit more than one of those features into a language?
Does anyone know of a natlang with more than one of them? How many
and which ones?
Does anyone know of a conlang with more than one of them? How many
and which ones?
Has anyone here ever made a 'lang with two of those features? Or
three? Or all four?
Is one of them easier to fit with the others than they are with each
other? Or are there two that are an easier fit to each other than
any other pair?

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Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@...>