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Re: CHAT Etruscana (was: Oh! Kay! (was : ...etc))

From:John Cowan <cowan@...>
Date:Sunday, February 29, 2004, 2:40
Ray Brown scripsit:

> But there was some re-introduction by the Normans. The Latin [i:] has > become [aj] as we would expect whether the name came via Old English or > Norman French. But the Latin & Old English [u:] has not given us [aw] as > the modern name of the letter 'U'. The modern [ju:] is from Norman french > [y:].
Of course I thought of that case as soon as I had sent my earlier mail. L'esprit de l'escalier.
> Certainly the first month of the pre-Julian calendar, March, is named > after Mars <-- Martius (mensis). But he was an important god to the early > Romans, with both agricultural & military interests before being equated > with the Greek Ares. But IIRC the name Mars is of Etruscan origin.
I had understood that the o:rs part of Ma:vo:rs > Mars was cognate with Ares, and only the Mav- part was of unknown origin. But this may be another half-baked story.
> There are some other English indirect borrowings from Etruscan, e.g.
IIRC "persona" is Etruscan too, and that the etymology "per sonem" is also folk only.
> Except 'zed'/'zee' :)
Umm, yeah. I wonder who invented "zee"? "Zed" is obviously < "zeta", so it must have been the older form.
> >If L1 speakers can teach other L1 speakers that "potatoe" is the correct > >spelling of "potato", nothing is too surprising. > > From what I remember, it was one particular L1 speaker :)
He wasn't alone, alas. My wife was also taught this spelling in the North Carolina schools in the 50s, and may well have passed it on to some of her students (before I stopped her). She describes being explicitly taught the mnemonic "pot a toe", so it can't be accidental. -- "Clear? Huh! Why a four-year-old child John Cowan could understand this report. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head or tail out of it." --Rufus T. Firefly on government reports


Herman Miller <hmiller@...>CHAT Etruscana
Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>