Re: CHAT Etruscana (was: Oh! Kay! (was : ...etc))
|From:||Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>|
|Date:||Monday, March 1, 2004, 6:38|
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 02:31 AM, John Cowan wrote:
> Ray Brown scripsit:[snip]
>> Certainly the first month of the pre-Julian calendar, March, is named
>> after Mars <-- Martius (mensis). But he was an important god to the early
>> Romans, with both agricultural & military interests before being equated
>> with the Greek Ares. But IIRC the name Mars is of Etruscan origin.
> I had understood that the o:rs part of Ma:vo:rs > Mars was cognate with
> Ares, and only the Mav- part was of unknown origin. But this may be
> another half-baked story.
I would think so. The two gods were not very similar in their earliest
manifestation; it was just the best identification the Romans could come
up with. The Greek name and its declined forms must be formed from a stem
*ares- (with short vowels); it's difficult to see how that relates to
-o:rs except by folk etymology.
>> There are some other English indirect borrowings from Etruscan, e.g.
> IIRC "persona" is Etruscan too, and that the etymology
> "per sonem" is also folk only.
Yes, 'per sonem' is certainly folk etymology. Yes, it's from an etruscan
persu- / phersu-
[zed/zee dealt with in another mail]
>>> If L1 speakers can teach other L1 speakers that "potatoe" is the correct
>>> spelling of "potato", nothing is too surprising.
>> From what I remember, it was one particular L1 speaker :)
> He wasn't alone, alas. My wife was also taught this spelling in the
> North Carolina schools in the 50s, and may well have passed it on to
> some of her students (before I stopped her). She describes being
> explicitly taught the mnemonic "pot a toe", so it can't be accidental.
Good gracious. I've never come across that over here. Is this peculiar to
the US? If so, why?
"A mind which thinks at its own expense will always
interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760