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Re: Questions Concerning Grammar

From:Ben Poplawski <thebassplayer@...>
Date:Monday, August 2, 2004, 6:01
>This seems to be a bit like the system I have toyed >with using. The topic is not marked with its own case, >and whenever an argument is not explicitly stated in >the verbal aggreement, the topic is assumed to fill >that role. This is most apparent with 3rd person >topics. Thus, > > Bob-topic me-give-it-their means They give it to me >(and Bob perhaps owned or made whatever they gave) >while, > Bob-topic give-it-their means They give it to Bob.
That's ... strange. First of all, topic languages (that I know of) do not have proniminal affixes for their verbs. Your first example might work, but it's not something I've seen. (I know that in Japanese you can have simultaneously a topic and subject in a transitive sentence, but I can't think up of any examples.) It would make more sense to have Bob-[poss.]-"it"-[d.o.] for a sentence like that. Besides, if Bob was already the topic on hand, he wouldn't be mentioned. It's already assumed your talking about him. "Me-give-it-their", or just "Give" would work just fine. (Topic languages may omit all nouns and pronouns from a sentence -- a sentence consisting of a single verb with no person marking is perfectly fine.)
> Similarly for benefactor--whenever a verb occurs in >a sentence with expressed topic and *is not marked* >for benefaction, the topic is assumed to be the >benefactor or malefactor. I've thought of including an >inflection indicating a nontopic ind. obj as well.
Again, there are no pronominal affixes on verbs in topic languages (again, that I know of). Japanese uses particles to indicate such relationships: wa - subject; ga - topic; o - direct object; ni - locative; usually used for indirect objects; e - destination; de - instrument, ablative; etc. I read your post in full again -- yeah, you could use it in your own system. It's just not very natural -- no natlangs I know of, topic languages, do that. Erg... I'm tired, so if my post made no sense, please forgive me. Ben

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