Re: CHAT: Re : Re: Tlvn, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius

Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 15/09/99 14:02:05  , Paul a =E9crit :

> By the looks of things, there is an inherent distinction between
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>  koyotsu wa iku
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>  and
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>  iku wa koyotsu da
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>  which is that "iku" on its own is a verb, whereas koyotsu needs the=20
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> of
>  "- da" to give a verbal sense.
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good thinking, Paul.
or is it that koyotsu is a noun and will never be a verb,
no more than kyapnyalklapklap or whatever coyote will ever be
as i'm claiming it ?
adding a presentative "-a" doesn't change anything, whatever it
is described to be (verb, pronoun, "copula", suffix, etc.)

>  If the usual, legal forms of the expressions either both included or both
>  excluded "- da", then you'd certainly have a point.
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da is not needed with a verb.
you can make a verb into a noun :

iku > iku no
to go > the fact/the one going

but earlier japanese could do like you say
with a specific form of verb (iku > iki da).

now you have :

koyotsu ga iku no da : the one going is the coyote /here goes the coyote
iku no wa koyotsu da : the one going is the coyote

koyotsu wa iku no da : the coyote is the one going/the coyote goes
iku no ga koyotsu da : the coyote is the one going

mathias