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Re: LUNATIC SURVEY: 2005

From:wayne chevrier <wachevrier@...>
Date:Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 20:28
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>A. PROFESSION, DEMOGRAPHICS, INCLINATION: > >1. Who are you, and what is the name of your invented language or = >languages? Pseudonyms allowed. (Are you using one? asked "Sally Caves")
Wayne Chevrier: Lisanek, Lisanre`, Romaencz, and several only at the level of an idea
> >*2. Are you new to the Lunatic Survey or have you filled out a version = >of this survey before?
Yes
> >3. Do you have a website for you language/world(s)? If so, please list = >the URL address.
No
> >4. What is your email address? name at hostsite dot whatever.
w a c h e v r i e r at-sign h o t m a i l period c o m
> >5. What is your age? (vague answers allowed, but it is an important = >demographic)
32 Terran, 17 Martian
> >6. What is your gender?=20
Animate :)(Masculine)
> >7. What is your nationality? Where do you live now?
Canadian(Quebe'cois/Scots-Irish/German/Romany/First Nations/English), Greater Vancouver
> >8. What is your native language?
English, despite the last name
> >9. What natural languages foreign to you have you studied or do you = >speak?
a little French and Spanish, a word or two of many others
>
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> >14. How long have you been developing your invented language(s)?
15-20 years
> >15. At what age did you first start inventing a language? Can you = >briefly describe your early efforts?=20 > >16. What drew you to start inventing a language and/or constructed = >world? What was the inspiration?=20 > >17. Did you start inventing before you had heard of the list or after? = >Before you had heard of Esperanto or Tolkien? (I name the two most = >common inspirations)
Before the list, after JRRT and Esperanto, which were inspirations
> >18. Tolkien calls it a "shy art" and a "secret vice"; but that was = >before the Internet. How secret do you keep it from others outside this = >list for much the same reasons?
Neither secret nor public
> >19. Yaguello has called it "pathological," influenced, unfortunately, by = >a lot of psychiatric writings such as _Le Schizo et la langue_. To what = >extent have you encountered such reactions by outsiders you had taken = >into your confidence?
not really
> >*20. Do you consider it nerdy to be doing this? This is a term that gets = >tossed around a lot. Or actually sophisticated? Do you need to get a = >life, or is this your life? What is a life?
A bit, but what's wrong with that?
> >21. There has been a connection noted between linguistic and musical = >ability. Are you musically inclined? Do you sing and/or play a musical = >instrument? Do you compose music?
More interest than talent
> >22. There has been a connection noted between linguistic and = >mathematical ability. Are you mathematically inclined or inclined = >towards computing in any way?
I've calculated the distances between nearby star, by hand, for fun :)
> >23. What other passions do you pursue that give you creative pleasure? = >(painting, drawing, sculpting, calligraphy, model-building, novel or = >story-writing, role-playing games, map-making, book-making, poetry, = >web-designing, star-gazing or other?)
Some drawing, including maps
> > > >B. FEATURES OF YOUR INVENTION > >1. Pick the best term for the invented language you are currently = >invested in: auxlang, artlang, engelang, loglang, lostlang, = >philosophical language, or "other." etc.=20
artlang
> >2. Is your conlang a priori (devised from scratch) or a posteriori = >(based on an existing natural language or drawing from a language class = >such as Semitic)?
Lisanre:a priori, but vocabulary and grammar ideas scavenged from most everywhere Same is true for Lisanek, Romaencz: a posteriori(romlang)
> >4. Do you have a script for your conlang? What is it called? Could you = >provide me at a later date with a sample of it? Is it on Langmaker's = >"neography" site?
all have Latin alphabet orthographies
> >5. Briefly describe the outlines of your invented language (syntactical = >structure--VO, OV, etc.; class or type--analytic, synthetic, = >agglutinating, incorporative, accusative, ergative, active, trigger, = >other, combinations, etc.), noting what you have done with it that is = >innovative in your opinion.
Lisanek: ergative(only marked on pronouns), V2,m/f gender(m. inc. inanimates,default for human/f. default for other animates and abstracts), use of feminine word with masculine affices for common, definite/indefinite/indeterminate article suffix, zero copula, predicate marker,"I have" as "to me is", subordinate verbs instead adjectives Lisanre: direct/inverse, animate/inanimate gender(towns and texts are animate), no inamimate pronouns, adjectives as type of noun, tonal accent Romaencz: romlang, umlaut
> >7. How extensive would you say your invented language is, now? How big = >the vocabulary? Do you provide a vocabulary list or taxonomy on your = >website if you have one?
Less than a 100 (stable vocabulary)
> >8. How do you build vocabulary? Some people pull words out of the air; = >others build up a base of root words and affixes. Many do both.
theft:)
> >3. Does a constructed world accompany your invention(s)? What is it = >called?=20
a bit, i don't know yet
> >*9. Has your language and conworld ever served in a role-playing game or = >a world shared by other conlangers?
no
> >*10. Briefly describe your conculture (is it within the bounds of this = >world? on another world, etc.?)
Lisanre: think Pacific Northwest with Andes in background,with Polynesian and Japanese touches Lisanek: coastal Romaencz: somewhere in Europe
> >*11. Are the beings who speak your invented language human or alien? If = >alien, what features have you given the language to make it alien or how = >have you restricted or expanded its phonology? vocabulary?
Human
> >12. What do you write in it? Poems? chants? lullabyes? prayers? history? = >stories? recipes? Are any of these exhibited on your website?
nothing much
> >13. Can you speak your conlang? Are you fluent in it? Is this a goal for = >you? Have you tried to teach it to an intimate? a companion animal? :)
not yet
> >14. Have you made any soundbytes of your language? Could you provide me = >at a later date with a sample of them?
no
> >*15. If you use Roman script, how recognizably "phonetic" is your = >writing system? In other words, do you use unconventional letters or = >letter combinations to represent sounds? Why or why not? I'm thinking, = >of course, of Etabnannery, for those who remember it.
Romaencz: some entymolgical/umlaut(caolh(horse)/kOj/), rh=/Z/ Lisanek: s=/S/ z=/s/ y=/j/ Lisanre: c=/K/ x=/tK)/ z=/ts/ y=/j/ or /i:/ q=/N/ h=/x/ w=/w/ or /u:/
> >16. How many of you sing in your language and have invented songs for = >that purpose? > >*17. How many of you, for entertainment or any other reason, resort to = >gibberish? (This is in response to Adrian Morgan's question in = >December). Does it give you ideas for conlanging? (Have you ever fooled = >anyone?) How many of you have sung gibberish?
Yes
> >*18. What on-line games do you play? (or devise?) Translations, = >Babel-text, Relays, etc. > >19. Which do you prefer doing: devising phonology? script? structure? = >building vocabulary?
Vocabulary structure & grammar
> >20. Do you start and stop several different conlangs, or do you tend to = >stick with one and develop it over years?
some of both
> >21. What do you think makes a "complete" conlang, if a conlang can = >attain completion? What are your goals for completion? When do you grow = >"tired" of your conlang, or don't you?
Ablility tosay anything you want in the language
> >*22. Which came first: the conlang or the conworld?
growing together
> > > >C. PHILOSOPHY AND AESTHETIC: > >1. What aesthetic features do you value in inventing language? Be = >specific as to phonology, structure, script, etc.
pronouncibility, a definite and distinctive feel
> >2. What commonly applied aesthetics have you ever tried to avoid in your = >invention? This has been an oft debated question, especially when it = >comes to Tolkien.=20
"prettiness"/phonological symbolism
> >3. Is difficulty or obscurity a goal in inventing a language?
no
> >4. Is efficiency a goal in inventing a language? This question needn't = >cancel out the previous one.
no
> >5. How natural do you wish to make it, or is that a concern? Or rather, = >how unnatural do you wish to make it?
more to the natural end
> >6. Can conlanging be sexy? sensual? obsessing? how does it heal or harm = >you?
?
> >*7. How many of you have developed a rich vocabulary of obscenities?=20
if I had a large vocabulary,I probably would have
> >8. Can it be mystical? To what extent does conlanging fulfill a = >spiritual purpose for you? Or a magical one? Did it ever start out that = >way?=20
could be, but isn't
> >9. How many of you have developed a rich vocabulary of magical, = >religious, or incantatory terms?
see 7
> >*10. How many of you have striven to invent words that express novel = >ideas, or are not expressed in any natural language that you know?=20
Mais oui
> >11. Name a few of the words in your language(s) that you are most = >pleased with and are the most original to you.
Romaencz: cantar=to talk, falhar=to lie, fabular=to tell stories, parlar=to lecture/preach/give a speech, ceantar=to sing, se cantar=to brag, se parlar=to chide oneself, calh=mare, caolh=stallion, caelh=horses, cadeirh=chair, cadirh=chairs, cadirhaond=chairman
> >12. How do you sense that a word is "right" for its meaning? How much do = >you labor at fitting a sound to its sense? Or don't you care?
It just feels right
> >*13. Do you ever rely on a software program to build vocabulary? Do = >those who don't think that's cheating? :)
no and no
> >*14. Is conlang a hobby, a craft, or an art in your mind? This has been = >hotly debated, so the question is not as weird as it seems. Can = >conlanging be considered an art? Why or why not?
all of the above
> >*15. If it is, who do you think are its consumers?=20
art doesn't need consumers, just artists
>
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>*17. There has been some exciting talk recently (and over the years) = >about what a conlang is or is not. If you could pick a metaphor or write = >a descriptive phrase defining "conlang," what would that be?
a real language:conlang::palace a 1000 years old:small cottage(or lean-to)
> >*18. Why or why not would you eschew the metaphors "miniature" or = >"model"?=20
miniature better than model(they are languages, not just models)
> >*19. Is a conlang more like a glimpse of something lifesize? (Irina's = >suggestion in 2001)
yes
>
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>*21 What do you think distinguishes a conlang from a natural language, = >if you think so at all? What would it take for a linguist to be fooled = >into thinking a conlang was a natural language?
see 17, the scale/detail/etc.
>
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> > >D. THE LISTSERV > >1. How did you first hear of this list?
surfing, found the yahoogroup archives first
> >2. How long have you been on this listserv or on other related = >listservs? Continuously? Infrequently? Off and on? More off than on and = >vice versa?
5 years or so
> >*3. What is the appeal of being on a listserv and contributing to it? Do = >you think you contribute moderately or excessively, or not enough? Do = >you tend to lurk ?
lurk mostly
>
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> >*5. How helpful has the list been in developing your language? In = >learning linguistic information?
very
> >6. What books have you consulted? On your own, or because you heard of = >them on the list?
lots of teach yourself type books, Cambridge Encyclopaedia of Language, An Abnaki dictionary, Linguistic Diversity in Time and Space, Language(Bloomfield)
> >*7. Do you peruse the websites of other conlangers?=20
somewhat
> >*8. Do you sense that people on this list are interested in your conlang = >and give you feedback on it?=20
yes, when I do post
> >9. Have you ever set out to learn at least a little bit of someone's = >conlang, if only a word or two, or a phrase?
not yet
> >*10. Do you peruse Jeffrey Henning's Langmaker.com site?
not regularly
> >*11. What on-line techniques do you use to showcase your conlang, such = >as Audacity or other sound programs, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, = >Fontography, and so forth? Did you hear of them on the list?
none
> >12. Have you ever tried to introduce a friend to the list?=20
no
> >13. Do you know of anyone who does this kind of thing but who has never = >heard of the list?
no
> >*14. What other lists do you frequent related to conlanging?
conculture and some of the workshop lists
>
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> >*18. There has been some terrific talk about CONLANG as a community. And = >yet so many of us seem to want the world to know of it and respect it. = >Is the CONLANG community enough?
I think so, if you include the spinoff lists
>
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> >> >Finally, may I have your permission to use any of this material of yours = >for my academic work on conlanging? First name? last name? pseudonym? = >anonymous?
Name but not Email address
> > > >Thanks!
You're welcome!
>
--Wayne Chevrier