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OT: YAEPT: karaoke (was: Re: new Klingon spelling)

From:Muke Tever <hotblack@...>
Date:Sunday, January 4, 2004, 19:47
E fésto Axiem <axiem@...>:
> Oh, I agree. Like I said, I don't expect the accent to be dead-on. I'm > more annoyed when people add what I consider a long "e" sound when there > is just an "a" and an "o". It's like we don't even look at how the word > is spelled when we pronounce it! (Not that we ever do with say, ough, > but that's > irrelevant...)
It's not a long "e" sound. It's a long "a" sound (just like often happens with originally short vowels before vowels: cf. 'chaos', 'neon', 'ion'), only reduced from [ej] to [j] in pre-stress position. Then... American English at least doesnt allow [rj], so [rij]. So you have a progression going till you reach comfortable English: *ra-O > ray-O [rej"o] > ry-O [rj"o] > riy-O [rij"o] Same for the final "e" sound. The only final short vowels allowed in [standard American] English are schwa and "short o" (the one in "saw"), so the "e" gets read as long (same in "sake"). [This is where I mention my theory that English final |-y| as in 'happy', 'authority' patterns better as short /E/ lengthened than it does as anything you'd expect to be spelled with "y" (like 'cry'). Including the fact that things like "-ity" come from Fr. "-ité" anyway.]
> I'll admit, actually, that when I started doing Japanese, "aoi" was a > tongue-twister, because I'm not used to doing three vowels in a row. If > people just didn't pronounce the "o" or the "a" in "karaoke", I wouldn't > be quite so annoyed over it. Like I said, it's more the insertion of a > vowel that isn't there that gets me.
I do know people that say "ka-rohkee" [k@"roki]. *Muke! -- E jer savne zarjé mas ne Se imné koone'f metha Brissve mé kolé adâ.


Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>