Re: CHAT: browsers

On Thursday 13 February 2003 12:42 am, you wrote:
> Wesley Parish scripsit:
> > Well, she's certainly not the Queen of the Channel Islands - just to
> > throw a pointless factoid in - she's the Duchess of Normandy,
> > the mainland Normandy is
>
> For "Duchess" read "Duke".  Her title in the C.I. is "Our Sovereign and
> Duke of Normandy, Queen Elizabeth the Second."  AFAIK that does not make
> Prince Philip the Duchess of Normandy, for which he is probably profoundly
> grateful.
For which I am profoundly distressed ... ;)  There is no sexual equality in
royal titles, a fact I am deeply distressed to report!

>
> > and Jersey, Guernsey
> > and the other one are the sole remaining loyalists -
>
> Distinguish between Isles and Bailiwicks.  The Bailiwick of Jersey
> contains the Isle of Jersey only, but the Bailiwick of Guernsey contains
> the Isles of Guernsey, Alderney, Sark, and Herm (also Jethou, Brecqhou
> and Lihou, according to the Guernsey official web site).
>
> > secessionist of course, and has been for the last few hundred years  ;)
>
> There's been a bit of ping-ponging: mainland Normandy broke loose from
> the English crown in 1204, leaving the islands still in personal union;
> Henry V of England conquered Normandy in 1415-19, but all was French again
> by 1453.  France conquered the islands in 1461 and ran them directly
> until 1468; in 1483, England, France, and the Pope agreed to make the
> islands neutral ground.  In 1781 France tried to take the islands
> but was rebuffed; the Germans conquered them, 1940-45, as a byproduct
> of conquering France.
In the late '80s I played around with the idea that if the Loyalty Isles in
the South Pacific were in a state of conflict with Le Ile de France, that
must make Le Ile de France the Disloyalty Isle.  I could never get the
cartographers to agree though.  Such is my sad lot ... ;)

>
> > Nor is she the Queen of Manx either - that's a state in free association,
> > unless I'm mistaken.
>
> The British monarch is Lord of Mann, and has been since 1765.  (Again,
> the Queen gets a masculine title there.)
I'm still waiting for Prince Chuck to become Queen Charles the First.  (He
could get some hints from Freddie Mercury, if it wasn't for Freddie Mercury's
sadly deceased state ...)

  Before that, the Lordship
> belonged to the Dukes of Atholl, before that to the Stanley family of
> Lancashire, and before that, to the Kings and Queens of Scotland.
>
> Lots more information at www.gov.{je,gg,im}.
Lots of fascinating little factoids to throw into a dinner conversation that
may as well be terminated, or to incorporate into a conculture in a conworld
some other place.

Wesley Parish

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