Re: USAGE: convenient symbol for Swedish long _u_

At 20:54 13.1.2004, Isaac Penzev wrote:

> > Which of of the notations 2\ Y\ 8\ would
> > you find most convenient/intuitive for the
> > Swedish "long _u_", which in strict
> > X-SAMPA is [2_w]?
>
>[2_w] is contradictory. [2] itself is a rounded vowel. If you need to
>distinguish between less rounded and more rounded vowel, you should use
>[_c] for
>less r. and [_O] for more r. In IPA they are left half and right half of a
>ring
>below respectively.
But labialization is *not* the same as rounding!  Rounding means
to bring the corners of the lips closer to each other, while
labialization means bringing the centers of the lips closer to
each other.  That the distinction has not been strictly
observed in the past is no excuse for not observing it now,
nor is the fact that the distinction is not phonemically
relevant in many languages.  Some Swedish dialects have a full
set of plain--rounded--labialized vowels for three heights of
fron vowels, and in most dialects of this type back vowels are
labialized rather than rounded.  I'm very aware of the difference
since I have a native-like pronunciation of German.

/BP 8^)
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