Re: Nareal fricatives?
|From:||Paul Roser <pkroser@...>|
|Date:||Monday, November 18, 2002, 21:20|
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:05:26 -0600, Danny Wier <dawier@...> wrote:
The 'ls-ligature' and 'lz-ligature' symbols are distinct from the
more normal 'belted l' type of lateral fricative - they are meant to
indicate a combination of central + lateral frication (the original
version was a lateral fricative with a raised 'esh/ezh').
I think that the 'feng' symbol originated as a sort of mnemonic for
fricative <f> plus velic <eng>, since this not velar-pharyngeal, but
velopharyngeal - a fricative noise made in the space between the velum
and the back of the nasopharynx (a 'supra-uvular' fricative, if you like).
As for nareal fricatives, those are like voiceless nasals, but with
greater (or audible) friction at the nares (ie the nostrils).
A good description of these and other sounds is in 2nd ed. of Martin Ball's
book on disordered phonetics. Don't have the exact title here, but if anyone
is curious, I can get the info from my home library.
BTW, there is also a sublingual percussive, which is the second part of
the type of click sometimes used to imitate the sound of a clock or
a ping pong game...
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>From: "Ian Maxwell" <umlaut@...>
>> Okay, was looking at an IPA extension for disordered speech here:
>> I've never seen the terms "nareal fricative" and "percussive" before. I
>> can guess what the latter is, but could someone tell me about the former?
>I believe a "percussive" is snapping the lips or teeth together, thus
>bilabial and bidental percussives.
>Interesting note: the IPA symbols for lateralized alveolar fricatives are
>different for disordered speech than normal speech: the sound of Welsh <ll>
>is "ls-ligature" for the former and "l-belt" for the latter. And how did the
>velar-pharyngeal fricative get the symbol "feng" (f-eng ligature) anyway?