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Re: Nareal fricatives?

From:Paul Roser <pkroser@...>
Date:Monday, November 18, 2002, 21:20
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:05:26 -0600, Danny Wier <dawier@...> wrote:

>From: "Ian Maxwell" <umlaut@...> > >> Okay, was looking at an IPA extension for disordered speech here: >> >> >> I've never seen the terms "nareal fricative" and "percussive" before. I >> can guess what the latter is, but could someone tell me about the former? > >I believe a "percussive" is snapping the lips or teeth together, thus >bilabial and bidental percussives. > >Interesting note: the IPA symbols for lateralized alveolar fricatives are >different for disordered speech than normal speech: the sound of Welsh <ll> >is "ls-ligature" for the former and "l-belt" for the latter. And how did the >velar-pharyngeal fricative get the symbol "feng" (f-eng ligature) anyway?
The 'ls-ligature' and 'lz-ligature' symbols are distinct from the more normal 'belted l' type of lateral fricative - they are meant to indicate a combination of central + lateral frication (the original version was a lateral fricative with a raised 'esh/ezh'). I think that the 'feng' symbol originated as a sort of mnemonic for fricative <f> plus velic <eng>, since this not velar-pharyngeal, but velopharyngeal - a fricative noise made in the space between the velum and the back of the nasopharynx (a 'supra-uvular' fricative, if you like). As for nareal fricatives, those are like voiceless nasals, but with greater (or audible) friction at the nares (ie the nostrils). A good description of these and other sounds is in 2nd ed. of Martin Ball's book on disordered phonetics. Don't have the exact title here, but if anyone is curious, I can get the info from my home library. BTW, there is also a sublingual percussive, which is the second part of the type of click sometimes used to imitate the sound of a clock or a ping pong game... Bfowol ----- Dreaming permits each and every one of us to be quietly and safely insane every night of our lives. -- Charles Fisher


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