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Eli, Eloi (was: Passover/Easter (was: Italogallic in Zera,and other languages.))

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Sunday, April 30, 2000, 15:03
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:41:47 +0100 Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
> What's more remarkable to me is Matthew's use of an eta (long e) and > Mark's > use of epsilon (short e) in the name.
- e:li << Hebrew [eli:] elo:i << Hebrew/Aramaic? [Elo:hi:]
> (c) you-have-forsaken-me > Matthew: sabakhtanei, zaphthani > Mark: sabakhtanei, zabaphthani
- i've seen the Aramaic root as ShBQ..."shevaqtani".
> It's generally assumed that Jesus was quoting the openening verse of > Psalm > 20 (Septuagint & Vulgate numbering)/ 21 (Hebrew numbering).
> No doubt one our other list members can give us the Hebrew to > compare with > the words quoted by the evangelists.
- i found it in #22..."eili, eili, lama `azavtani" in Hebrew.
> So Matthew quotes the cry in Hebrew?
- He quotes the cry in Aramaic, but the words _e:li_ and _elo:i_ can be either Aramaic or Hebrew. My lowercase-E-with-acute in _Hashem_ seems to have come back to me as an did it show up to you?
> Ray.
- -Stephen (Steg) "sleep, like a fog, blew over him." ~ _gilgamesh_