Re: Causative and Aorist usage?
|From:||Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>|
|Date:||Sunday, January 2, 2005, 23:46|
Carsten Becker <naranoieati@...> writes:
> Just one question: How else can I use the causative after
> the following definition?
> Ayeri Coursebook:
> | The causative shows that something is for a reason or the
> | marked argument causes something.
> Currently, the causative ending _-isa_ only appears in
> pronouns like "for this reason" and is used with verbs to
> enable a stative passive. But I haven't managed to use it
> with nouns yet. Or do I constantly confuse it with the
> benefactive which I often quite often? How could you use
> indication of reason on nouns? I mean different than
> "somebody makes somebody do something".
The usual translation would probably be 'because of ...'. 'The tree
broke because of the wind'. This could have 'wind' in causative case.
This is the usage in Qthen|gai. The meaning 'make s.o. do s.t.'
could also be causative, of course, where the causer then has control
about the caused event. Qthen|gai has recently aquired a special case
for causers with control (agitative case), but this is basically a
consequence from having an active case system -- the two could be the
> Maybe I should write the causative survived in some forms,
> but is today not very much used anymore ...
I like it as a productive case. Very handy. One reason for keeping
it in Qthen|gai is that I don't have any prepositions or
postpositions, so the only other possibility of expressing modifying
relations is serial verb construction, which involves a lot more
> The same thing about the aorist. I've got a slot for the
> aorist tense that can be abandoned easily.
Really? I liked your grammar for this. Qthen|gai also has an aorist
tense, which I borrowed from Ancient Greek (of course). It has a very
restricted meaning expressing explicit timelessness of an event. Very
handy, I think. I used it in the Pater Noster recently.
> There are no fixed expressions where the aorist
> could fit in ...
Almost all proverbs could use aorist tense. :-)