> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:59:37 -0800, Barry Garcia <Barry_Garcia@...>
> wrote:
>
> >CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU writes:
> >>My book on Turkish says dotless i is "i as in nation," which I find
> >>utterly helpful, since for me "ti" goes to [S] and "on" to [@n]. <sigh>
> >
> >The World's Writing Systems book I have says that the turkish dotless I is
> >"close, back, unrounded" vowel. In the kirschenbaum system, it's /u-/.
> >Apparently SAMPA doesnt have a way of representing it.
>
> But it does: [M]
>
> SAMPA actually has representations for all the IPA sounds, though the more
> advanced ones are rather clumsy (taking up more than one space); to see
> them all, go to
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/x-sampa.htm
>
> But I didn't know that Turkish vowel was a back unrounded sound; I didn't
> know it because the few text-books I had read didn't use transcriptions (at
> least not standard ones), and didn't seem to find it important enough to
> describe this sound properly. Irritating how back unrounded vowels get
> misrepresented in Western teaching...
>
> But that makes more sense - "Istanbul" has a dotless i, which is now
> logical to me in light of its original "Constantinopolis" name. But
> wouldn't it really be pronounced "Istambul", though? - [Mstambul] or
> something like that (don't know where the stress falls).
>