Re: help! phonology...& addendum

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, jesse stephen bangs wrote:

> I've heard this rule, too, but I just thought of an obvious exception in
> English.  English has six dental/alveolar fricatives /T D s z S Z/ but
> only four sounds that could reasonably be called stops /t d tZ dZ/.
/tS/, surely?

> No
> matter how you slice it *some* set of fricative is gonna be orphaned,
> unless you make the silly assertion that /T D/ are the "same class" as /s
> z/.
They're in a class of their own; there are no dental stops in
English, even if that's what they told us /t d/ were called. Why
can't they teach the word "alveolar" to twelve-year-olds?

Dutch doesn't have /T D/, but it doesn't have the affricates /tS dZ/
either, except in loan-words (or /S/ /Z/, for that matter, but those
loan-words happen to be more frequent, mostly from French), so it's
the same problem only with different orphans.

   Irina

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