Re: a grammar sketch...
|From:||Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...>|
|Date:||Friday, October 6, 2000, 18:31|
In addition to what Marcus proposed.
A system with two cases: 'absolutive' and 'participational' (?).
Situation: laughter; predicated to: child.
Everything's as usual.
Situation: falling; participated in by: stone.
'Stone' is inanimate, so it must be marked as only 'participating' in
the situation, even when no other participants are named.
child-PART stone-ABS fall
Situation: stone-throwing; participated in by: child.
Situation with more than one participants; the most 'prominent' of them
stands in PART, the rest (in ABS) form kinda incorporative construction
with the verb.
Note: _Child-PART laugh_ is possible too, implying that there are other,
unnamed participants ('together with somebody' or 'at somebody').
Also possible: _Stone-PART throw_ 'The stone is being thrown';
_Child-PART throw_ 'The child throws (something, perhaps together with
Indeed, ABS gets in fact split into several 'underlying' cases=roles,
but this is probably inevitable with so bizarre a system. Noun classes
are actually 'active'.
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:52:57 +0200, =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Rhiemeier
>> > child-I stone-II throw
>> > child-II laugh
>> > stone-I fall
>Of course it doesn't make any semantic sense. And it is probably also
>very difficult to find a syntactic explanation. And that's why I
>it! It is so absurd that it's fun to do. Of course, such a language
>would have to allow both animates and inanimates to take both case I
>and II, while in an active language, you can reserve the agentive case
>for animates, as I have done in Nur-ellen.
>If one was to show me a language which does this and asked me on my
>opinion whether it's natural or not, I'd say, "Definitely constructed!"
>because the only way I can imagine how it could happen is that some
>conlanger was doing it for the fun of it.
>> If you can find a way to explain why you treat the 'subject' of stative/
>> non-controlled/non-volitional/whatever predicates like transitiveagents,
>> then it would be really cool.
>Yes, because it looks so completely absurd!
>> Perhaps it's possible to find a way to
>> make it fit semantics too.
>Marcus, your turn.