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Re: CHAT letter names (was: CHAT Etruscana etc)

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Tuesday, March 2, 2004, 16:39
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 06:26:47AM +0000, Ray Brown wrote:
> [ai] is strictly two vowels.
That depends on whom you ask, but you can always join them with a tie bar to indicate otherwise: X-SAMPA [a_i], CXS [ai)].
> I would wish to put inverted breve beneath the 'i' to show that > it is non-syllabic, but can't, so I use [j] instead.
In both CXS and X-SAMPA the IPA "non-syllabic" diacritic is represented by the sequence _^. So [ai_^] would be an exact equivalent of the IPA usage you describe.
> I was under the impression that this usage was fairly standard on this list.
The use of [j] and [w] in diphthongs instead of [i] and [u] is fairly widespread, and not just on this list, but we don't do it because of the limitations of ASCII; after all, we have an all-ASCII system with the full expressive power of the IPA at our disposal.
> '(h)y psilon' as opposed to '(h)y diphthongos' which we would now say as: > "y written with a single vowel symbol" (i.e. Y) and "y written with two > vowel symbols" (i.e. OI). It dates from the period when OI and Y were both > pronounced as [y] and AFAIK the names are not attested until the Byzantine > era.
Ah! Thank you. I was wondering what was being distinguished here.
> Likewise the later names 'o micron' and 'o mega' were coined to name the > two letters after length distinction had been lost and the two vowels > became pronounced the same way as they still are in modern Greek.
An interesting tidbit of which I was unaware until yesterday: as in Latin, what was originally purely a quantitative difference between short and long vowels developed over time into a quantitative difference. And, as in Latin, the resulting two vowels for <o> were [o] and [O]. However, their rôles in Greek were reversed - short <o> (mikron) was [o], while long <o> (mega) was [O:]. That just seems very odd to me. :) -Mark


Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>Greek & Latin vowels (was: CHAT letter names etc)
Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>Diphthongs in ASCII (was: CHAT letter names etc)