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Re: 'Nor' in the World's Languages

From:Yahya Abdal-Aziz <yahya@...>
Date:Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 8:32
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, "H. S. Teoh" wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 04:36:50PM +1000, Yahya Abdal-Aziz wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm forwarding a (rather long) reply I recently made to Maarten van > > Wijk about a question he raised on the Linguist list. My main > > question to you all is: > > > > In your conlangs, what kinds of logical connectives have you > implemented? > > Examples would be: > > 1. A and B - AND > > In Tatari Faran: A B ei. > Example: > kiran sa diru si'ei. > CVY.M girl CVY.F:and > The young man and the girl.
[snip detailed response, with examples]
> > > A secondary question is, if you wish to comment, how strictly do they > > match the logician's view of those connectives? > > Not very. Inclusive-or is rather rare in natlangs (or at least, it's not > usually distinguished from exclusive-or, which is often assumed), so TF > doesn't have an explicit construction for it. Even more, _ibe_ has the > feeling of "if not (this), then", so it could also mean "otherwise". > > The if-then construction with _era_ is also rather lax. It can mean > either "A if and only if B", or "if A then B". Which one is meant > depends on the context, and sometimes it's ambiguous. > > As for negation, TF doesn't understand the concept of double negation: > i.e., negatives do not cancel. Negatives are strengthened the more of > them you stack (e.g., in the example where a strong negation is conveyed > by using both _be_ and _bei-_ in the same clause). Another example, > which is somewhat like Russian: > > huu na hamra be bahai ko bei'aram. > I RCP.M see not nothing ORG.N not:COMPL > I don't see anything at all (lit., I don't see nothing not at all). > > Unlike Russian, though, stacking negatives is optional.
Hi Teoh, Thanks for the detailed and informative reply. The sound, and flow, of your Tatari Faran seems very nice! I will have a closer look at it. Your implementation of logical connectives also has quite a naturalistic feel. Regards, Yahya -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/06