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Re: How to represent long affricates? (was: Phonetic scripts and diphthongs ...)

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...>
Date:Monday, July 19, 2004, 14:40

In my dissertation on Goshute consonant phonology
num=7&detail=&pointer=0&search=elzinga&ids=431), I represented all long
affricates with a doubled stop consonant symbol followed by a
homorganic fricative symbol; i.e., [ttT, tts, ttS]. I did this because
it is the stop closure which is lengthened, not the affricate as a


On Jul 19, 2004, at 4:32 AM, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:

> Muke Tever wrote: > >> Italian SAMPA[1] uses /ddZ/ etc. >> >> It seems to be more common in any case for geminate consonants (as >> opposed >> to long vowels) to be spelt double instead of using the length mark. >> [I >> suppose if you had good typesetting with a /d_Z/ ligature you could >> get >> away with something like /d_Z:/ though.] > > Why? The sound actually *is* [d:z\], though on second thought I guess > /dZdZ/ would be an acceptable though misleading *phonological* > representation. While we're at it Italian _accia_ is ['at:s\a], > while [t:s] and [d:z] don't exist (anymore): spellings like _mezzo_ > are purely conventional. > > -- > > /BP 8^) > -- > B.Philip Jonsson (delete X) > > Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant! > (Tacitus) > >
-- Dirk Elzinga Grammatica vna et eadem est secundum substanciam in omnibus linguis, licet accidentaliter varietur. - Roger Bacon (1214-1294)


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>