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Re: OT: Peter-Clark-repellingly OT: RE: [CONLANG] English diglossia (was Re: retroflex consonants)

From:Peter Bleackley <peter.bleackley@...>
Date:Monday, February 3, 2003, 10:03
Staving And Rosta:
>Pete Bleackley: >> shtaving And Rosta: >> >Pete Bleackley: >> >> shtaving John Cowan: >> >> >And Rosta scripsit: >> >> > >> >> >> i was thinking of the waning accents that don't rhyme moan/mown, >> >> >> groan/grown >> >> > >> >> >Hmm. What's the distinction phonetically? >> >> >> >> In each case, the second ends with a consonant cluster "wn", rather
than a
>> >> single consonant "n" >> > >> >In the accent from which part of the country? >> >> My accent is somewhat unusual. I'm from Bolton in Lancashire, but my accent >> is about 90% RP/BBC English. There are some notable local features, >> especially use of vowels. > >So how does a contrast between moan/mown (and morn, lawn) work, in an >accent that is 90% RP and 10% Bolton? > >[The other things you report about your dialect are common throughout >Lancashire, but not a moan/mown contrast. I don't remember having >found it in Bolton, though I've found it in Rochdale.] >
When I say "mow", the "W" sound is a distinct consonant, not subsumed into the preceeding "O" sound. This is carried over into the PP when the "n" is added- the w is not lost. "Moan", on the other hand, doesn't have a "W" in it to start with. My lips round and project when I say "mown", with the bilabial glide, not when I say "moan" without it. Pete Bleackley