Re: OT: Peter-Clark-repellingly OT: RE: [CONLANG] English diglossia (was Re: retroflex consonants)

Staving And Rosta:
>Pete Bleackley:
>> shtaving And Rosta:
>> >Pete Bleackley:
>> >> shtaving John Cowan:
>> >> >And Rosta scripsit:
>> >> >
>> >> >> i was thinking of the waning accents that don't rhyme moan/mown,
>> >> >> groan/grown
>> >> >
>> >> >Hmm.  What's the distinction phonetically?
>> >>
>> >> In each case, the second ends with a consonant cluster "wn", rather
than a
>> >> single consonant "n"
>> >
>> >In the accent from which part of the country?
>>
>> My accent is somewhat unusual. I'm from Bolton in Lancashire, but my accent
>> is about 90% RP/BBC English. There are some notable local features,
>> especially use of vowels.
>
>So how does a contrast between moan/mown (and morn, lawn) work, in an
>accent that is 90% RP and 10% Bolton?
>
>[The other things you report about your dialect are common throughout
>Lancashire, but not a moan/mown contrast. I don't remember having
>found it in Bolton, though I've found it in Rochdale.]
>
When I say "mow", the "W" sound is a distinct consonant, not subsumed into
the preceeding "O" sound. This is carried over into the PP when the "n" is
added- the w is not lost. "Moan", on the other hand, doesn't have a "W" in
it to start with. My lips round and project when I say "mown", with the
bilabial glide, not when I say "moan" without it.

Pete Bleackley