Re: Venn Diagram of the English Catenatives

Drat, the list is blocked again.

Well I was wondering what was a "Venn Diagram".... It's a very interesting
discussion.. Unfortunately the page seems to be truncated (at least on my
browser), approx. just below the yin-yang symbol.

Without seeing the whole thing it isn't right to comment, but I think I have
doubts about the paragraph mentioning "dare say, let go, make do".  Dare say
(~daresay) and make do are pretty much idioms in modern Engl. so seem to be
outside your scheme as I understand it.  Let go has several senses, only one
of which seems to fit "be let go" as in "John was let go [from his job]" and
"John was let go by his employer"-- Perhaps that sense is what you have in
mind, but, again, it seem idiomatic to me-- a metaphoric extension of "let
(animals) go" = unpen/uncage/release/etc them and allow them to wander at
will. Note that "His employer let John go" is ambiguous (he was dismissed
~he was allowed to go (somewhere) ).

"Let go of (s.t.) seems only to mean 'release from one's hand/grasp' or
figurative as in "you must let go of that idea".
"John let go of the cat" ("...let go the cat" sounds odd to me but occurs
colloquially at least as an imperative, "Let go ~leggo that cat!" )
"He won't let go [of the cat]"
?"The cat was let go [of]."
?"The cat was let go [of?] by John."
The last two are ambiguous without "of"--

and of course there's the literal sense, "allow to go" which only seems to
work in the active and requires a noun/pronoun object--
"Mother didn't let me go to that movie"
*"I was not let go to that movie by Mother"

BTW for a very complete discussion, try to find the book by Martin Joos
(publ. in the 50s or 60s) "The English Verb".  Can't locate my copy, but
IIRC it goes into modals et al. in quite interesting ways.

I'm hardly the person to tell someone else how to make a web page, but
depending on your computer and its age, MS Front Page (_not FP Express_) and
Netscape Composer allow you to compose from the keyboard, and insert
graphics-- whose size can then be adjusted so that one doesn't have to
scroll way across the screen.  You can also preview and adjust the completed
page on your browser before uploading.  And I think most of the free
providers like Geocities and Tripod have page-builders that work much the
same way, though they tend to want to get fancy (I haven't used those).
Apologies if this is presumptuous..............
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Andrew Patterson wrote:

> OK, I managed to put the diagram on a website. It was quite difficult to
> work out how at first but now I've done it, I think I'll be doing some
> proper websites.
>
> Yes, this is my very first website.
>
> It's a bit rough and ready at the moment but I'd welcolme comments and
> critisisms.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew Patterson
>
> http://us.share.geocities.com/
> endipatterson/venn_diagram_of_the_english_catenatives.jpg