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Rhoticity and other stuff.

From:Barbara Barrett <barbarabarrett@...>
Date:Sunday, February 1, 2004, 23:24
> Adrian announce; > I still need rhoticity to be unambiguously explained to me, as it's > something I have unresolved questions about.
Barbara Babbles; It's covered faily well in The Cambridge Encyclopedia of English. However my own "rule-of-thumb" definition is that Rhoticity occurs when any vowel is extended in length and the qualtiy changed so that it imitates an approximate, usually untrilled "r". Thus although New Yorkers, New Englanders, Southern Americans, South Africans, Australians, Kiwis, Japanese, and Southern English all use slightly different vowels, for say the word english word "car", it can be "sight-spelled" for all these accents as "ka". In the CB system it's represented by a diacritic, and all diacitics are introduced by ^, thus rhotoric "car" is represented as /kæ^r/. for Recieved Pronounciation. Rhoticity is a facinating study in itself, particularly when it indicates social divisions. Many insights into roticity can be gained from Well's 3 volume "Accents of English". "IMAGINARY SOUNDS" This designation was coined by Robert, who's a speach therapist with children who have hearing and speaking difficulties. (the revision of CB was to include the notation of disordered speech and even expand on it). Some children with hearing difficulties try to produce the sound they think they hear rather than the one actually being made. my error in the original post was I should have made clear that the extended voiceless trill was epiglottal noy alveolar. "FITS" & Andreas Can't say I'd use these myself because for me many of the symbols used are counter-intuitive; but as said, some people such as C programmers would find these usages intuative. Every ASCII/IPA system is devisied to meet different needs and perceptions for its users, or sometimes to overcome percieved failings in other systems in certain areas. Therefore every system has merit, and every system has failings. Once I get my web site up in the summer one of the things I indend to do (along with collating Well's data so that one can look up the closest accent to ones own to find the phonemic IPA representation of it) is to present all the ASCII/IPA systems, their logic, and their strengths and weaknesses. I'd be happy to include FITS and Andreas's systems particularly as I can x-examne the creators on obscure points! Aside: Andreas; any chance of giving your system a name to know it by? "KILO" Here in England the word is a contraction of Kilogram, and its pronounciation rhymes with "Key - Low" - differences up and down the country are in the final "o" which is locally represented by huge variety of diphthongs. Aside: I do wish folk wouldn't just say "english" but specify *which* variety of english they're talking about. Such phrases as "...generally in english it's pronounced..." are almost always untrue for whichever major accents/dialects of english are excluded in the writers mind, and only creates confusion in the minds of those other english speakers who use a different dialect/accent from the writer. For example most of the pronounciations of "kilo" that have been give are totally alien to me, and without the context they come from, totally meaningless too. Another example: I'm Irish, so all my "l"s are "clear", thus I spent many frustrating hours trying to make any sense of instuctions like; "like the "l" in "pool" and never as the "l" in "life", and likewise after reading that strong "o" was a diphthong in english I spent years trying to divide the "o" sound into parts - I didn't realise that in my accent strong "o" is a monophthong! Barbara


Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>