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Re: Nice dancer (was: drinking soup, etc.)

From:Charles <catty@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 15, 1998, 9:06
John Cowan wrote:
> > The Lojban view of "nice dancer": Lojban does *not* resolve > the difference between "one who is nice and a dancer" and > "one who dances nicely" in an open compound. If someone > were to create a closed compound, nice-dancer, it would be > necessary to choose a specific interpretation. > > The "fast talker" example does not refer to this problem, > but rather to the problem of which content word is being > used as the predicate in a particular case. Thus > "le sutra tavla" is an argument, whereas "le sutra cu tavla" > is a predication.
In that case, I'll have to put forth my own conlang as an example of how it seems possible to resolve it. Code-named "Tomato", it distinguishes separate grammatical classes for adjectives, nouns, and adverbs. An adverb is considered a "close modifier" of noun or verb, whereas an adjective is a "loose modifier" only of a noun. A compound seems to be equivalent to a close modifier attached to the front of the noun. But the adverb usually gloms onto its modifyee, so "adverb + noun" = compoundnoun. This is probably illegal, but what can I do? And alas, I am unsure of the vocabulary required for this particular case, never having witnessed them dancing ... but if they did: roots: "danas" = "dance", "tor" = "agent", "net" = "nice" suffixes: "-o" = noun, "-a" = adjective, "-e" = adverb "neta danasa toro" -> "neta danastoro" = "nice + dancer" "nete danasa toro" -> "netdanasa toro" = "nice-dance + er" More precise would be the active participle "-ia", "netdanasia toro" = "nice-dancing one". Less so would be the confused conglomeration: "netdanastoro" = "whew".