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Re: Anti-telic?

From:Sai Emrys <sai@...>
Date:Friday, July 14, 2006, 14:44
Monsoons seem clearly telic; the have to end (for climate reasons) at
some point. Worst you could have is a couple months of 'em.

Repetition isn't the issue, it's when the event ends.

If you were creating some other verb meaning to-have-a-monsoon-anually.... :-P

 - Sai

On 7/13/06, Rodlox R <rodlox@...> wrote:
> If I may ask, would it be a form of "telic" or "gnomic" apply to events such > as monsoons {which repeat on an annual basis} ? > > And would it be the same whether a monsoon was presently taking place, vs if > the monsoon ended a month ago? > > Just wondering, and thought to enter conversations once more. > > have nice days. > > > >>1. Gnomic AFAIU would require it to be universally true, i.e. have no > >>finite start point before which it may not have been true (e.g 2+2=4) > > > >True. > > > >>2. Gnomic seems exclusively a state-of-the-world or > >>truths-about-the-world sort of thing, whereas antitelic would be a > >>type of (forever-continuing) action, of which existence or state is a > >>subset > > > >Yes, gnomic is to do with _states_ whereas, I am discovering, telic & > >atelic are to do with processes. > > > >>3. Antitelic > > > >I do not understand what point 3 is. > > > >>4. They're different grammatical categories > > > >Semantic as well, surely. Any explicit grammaticalization of these > >categories seem to be be related to syntax. >

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