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Re: Name mangling (Was: Re: First Sound Recording of Asha'ille!)

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Sunday, March 13, 2005, 18:55
Stephen Mulraney wrote:

Still, it's hard to
> imagine that Zamenhof got the idea for including these diphthongs [ew, au] > in E-o > *specifically* from Polish, since they're fairly marginal in that > language, and > present mainly only in borrowings....
Most likely not from Polish, IMO. Surely he had a pan-European outlook; "eu" in particular has many odd pronunciations, but [ew] exists in Span. and Ital. (and presumably Latin and Classical Greek???). But even in Span. and Ital, I'm hard pressed to think of a word with [ew] in other than unstressed position, usually initial in Greek loans-- eufónico, Europa et al. Whether it's a diphthong or 2-syl in something like reunir, reunión is debatable, since those are clearly /re+.../. What is its occurrence/frequency in E-o? Perhaps Z devised the diphthongs out of what Borges calls "furor simétrico" :-)) [aw] is common in most W.Eur. langs, though spelled variously. I doubt that Dutch was one of Z's criteria, but FWIW it has [ew] of a sort, in eeuw 'century', leeuw 'lion', for which my little Hugo's gives "ay'oo, lay'oo"**. Curiously, derivative forms differ: eeuwig "ay'oo-v@gh" but leeuwendeel 'lion's share' "lay'-v@n-dayl" (**The ' indicates stress on the _preceding_ syl.)


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>[Ew} again (was: Name mangling)