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Re: Voiced Velar Fricative

From:Sally Caves <scaves@...>
Date:Thursday, December 19, 2002, 19:45
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From: "Christopher Bates" <christopher.bates@...>

> Is gh (i don't know the ascii ways of representing IPA sounds, but I > mean a voiced velar fricative) common? I think english used to have the > sound, as did welsh (or at least g used to be mutated to gh a long time > ago) but for some reason it disappeared. I just wondered because I love > the sound for some reason but I don't want to add it if its extremely > uncommon in natural languages. Thanks in advance,
Aren't the "r"s in both French and German considered voiced velar fricatives of sorts? They differ slightly; I've heard the French "r" described as a "uvular scrape." And some Germans gutterally trill their "r"s, while leaving them off when they occur finally. In Old English, there was intervocalic "g"; between back vowels, it was (we think) a voice velar fricative accompanied by a rounding of the lips (akin to the kw --> p development that's been discussed of late), which is why fugol turned into "fowl," lagu into "law," and so forth. The velar fricative dropped out but the rounding remained. I am unsure, though, what you would call the "r"s in French and German. The voiced velar fricative occurs in the Teonaht alphabet, but it is only very rarely used, along with a number of sounds that have graphic representation in the Renuon (possibly there for the spelling of foreign words) (or because Sally Caves got too slap-happy in her salad days). Sally Caves Eskkoat ol ai sendran, rohsan nuehra celyil takrem bomai nakuo. "My shadow follows me, putting strange, new roses into the world."


Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>