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Re: Musical conlangs

From:Wesley Parish <wes.parish@...>
Date:Thursday, October 17, 2002, 7:37
I remember - dimly to be sure - reading a while back about the use of
different-pitched drums in Africa to "speak", the change in pitches and the
general rhythm following speech rhythms so people could reportedly hold a
"conversation" via the drums.

I wish I knew just where I read that, though.

Wesley Parish

On Thursday 17 October 2002 02:17 am, Adrian Morgan wrote:
> The possibility of a true musical language occured to me a long time > ago, but I haven't known - and don't know - if it's really possible. > I can't prove that it isn't, though. > > By "true musical language" I mean to imply far more than a code that > just happens to use notes as phonemes. A language where the word for > "thief" happens to be mi-fa-re-do, for example, and every word in the > lexicon has a similar mapping, is not a true musical language in this > sense. I have in mind a language where morphemes correspond to > collections of notes defined as obeying certain parameters, rather > than as following precise sequences. > > These parameters would be flexible enough that any sentence could > actually be tuneful, with a skilled player being able to make a more > tuneful version of exactly the same sentence via ornamentations and so > on, without changing the meaning, or changing it only in subtle ways > such as emphasis. A study of music theory would be essential for > designing such a language. > > I've had some ideas for a grammar: > > Let's suppose that a "stressed beat" is one in which the left hand > plays a do-so cord (e.g. E and B if playing in the key of E), that a > stressed beat is usually the first beat of a bar, but that not every > first beat of a bar is stressed. > > Then perhaps: Two quick identical notes on a stressed beat (OSB) > indicate the beginning of the subject phrase, two quick notes the > second a tone above the first OSB indicates the beginning of the verb > phrase, and two quick notes the second a tone below the first > indicates the beginning of the object phrase. > > Or perhaps: If the second beat in a phrase is lower than the first > then this indicates the first person in some form, if the second beat > in a phrase contains two notes on either side of the notes on the > first beat then this indicates the second person, and if the second > beat in a phrase is higher than the first then this indicates a third > person or object. > > Or perhaps: A verb can be made negative by delaying the first stress > in its object phrase until the the third beat, or using a dummy object > for object-less verbs. > > Or perhaps: A return to the key note (do) OSB indicates a pronoun > similar to "it", referring to the object. > > These are miscellaneous ideas, and I'm not convinced of the > possibility of such a project - you'd surely end up with morphemes > being very long if they're to be flexible. It's just that: if it > *could* be done, and could be done well, it would be a magnificent > achievement. > > It's just a thought, and I must rush and cannot stop to proofread and > tidy up this post, which has been written hastily. > > Adrian.
-- Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

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