Re: Rs

Joe wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Bates" <christopher.bates@...>
>To: <CONLANG@...>
>Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:23 PM
>Subject: Re: Rs
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>>Joe wrote:
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>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "John Cowan" <jcowan@...>
>>>To: <CONLANG@...>
>>>Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:49 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Rs
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>>>>Joe scripsit:
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>>>>>That's why I said 'most'.  Incidentally, do Bostonian accents add 'r'
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>>>>>end of final schwa, or is that just the Kennedys(I assume his accent is
>>>>>Bostonian, as he drops rs)?
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>>>>The Kennedys do speak Bostonian, but they do not add "r" except in the
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>>>same
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>>>>places that RP accents do:  "Cuba and America" becomes
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>/kjub@r&nd@mErIk@/,
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>>>not
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>>>>/kjub@r&nd@mErik@r/.
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>>>That's what I get for listening to parodies too much ;-)
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>>Thanks all for your replies... my accent, although of course to me it
>>doesn't sound like I have one, is a nottinghamshire (central england)
>>one, but not of the "'ey up me duck" type lol. Incidentally, does a long
>>vowel and a short vowel followed by r sound significantly different? Are
>>there any languages which contrast ir and i:r for instance? And do many
>>languages contrast different kinds of r, like for instance spanish,
>>which contrasts r (a tap or short trill) with rr (a longer trill).
>> I think I'm doomed to mispronounce rs when learning foreign languages,
>>because the english r seems rare, and while I can do the uvular (I think
>>its uvular) trill of northern french, school really put me off french
>>for life. They tried to teach me french and german for a year at the
>>same time and all they succeeded in doing was making me ferverently hate
>>both languages.
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>Ah, a fellow Englander.  We need some more of your type around here.  ;-)
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>So, tell us about any Conlangs that you may have...
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Am in between conlangs at the moment, I've been spending most of my time
listening to spanish. I might have a bad accent but at least I'll know
when the waiters are swearing at me when I go there lol. I took a break
from conlanging because I got into a conlang writer's block where
everything I came up with seemed like rubbish. I'm thinking of starting
again and leaving the 'invent 50 million cases + declensions' philosophy
behind and going for a much more isolating type of language, much more
vocalic than I used to do. I was considering a polysynthetic one but
since I don't know any polysynthetic languages (I got the cases
addiction from learning some latin and later from my russian friend) it
would probably be a bad idea. Incidentally, my russian friend has the
same problem as me, since he is of russian origin, but moving to england
when he was young has somehow made him able to pronounce russian
perfectly except for the fact his rs are most definately never trilled
(his mum speaks russian to him constantly, so he learned it solely from
her). Where abouts in England are you from?

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