[Q] is a vowel?! (...)

Hallo!

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:24:06 +0100,
Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

> Quoting Trebor Jung <treborjung@...>:
>
> > Merhaba!
> >
> > The result of reading Herman Miller's post
> > http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?
> A2=ind0402d&L=conlang&F=&S=&P=5802
> > makes me want to reform XS. I mean, who's ever heard of spelling a vowel as
> > a consonant except in...XS?! Even English didn't get it this wrong...
>
> Welsh comes to mind ...
I considered transcription schemes using _w_ or _q_ for vowels for my
own Albic (formerly Hesperic) conlangs, where seven vowel phonemes
exist, such that a,e,i,o,u,y aren't enough.  However, I settled
on using _ø_.

> > So would anyone be interested in actually reworking the system? If so,
> > please contact me!
>
> There's been more suggestions to rework the X-SAMPA/CXS than Esperanto.
Which is indicative of how dissatisfying the system is.  And that's
why I made up my own system, CPA (wherein most of the more commonly
used symbols are the same as in X-SAMPA or CXS, but the most
unfortunate choices of X-SAMPA are avoided).

>       I
> could send you my system, but I'm afraid I'd have to rework it to Trebor-
> readable format, and it does use a few consonantal signs to write vowels - 'Q'
> and 'M', mainly.
In CPA, no consonant letters are used for vowel phonemes, though the
digit [6] is used.  In CPA, XS [M] is ["i] and XS [Q] is [6].
And the close-mid and open-mid front rounded vowels are ["o] and ["O].

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:37:13 -0700,
Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2004, at 3:12 AM, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > That's because germanicists traditionally
> > transcribe "open o" as an o with a hook below.
> > Uppergase Q vaguely resembles this sign.
>
> As I've understood it, <open o> is represented in X-SAMPA by /O/. /Q/
> is X-SAMPA for <turned script a>, the low back rounded vowel (cardinal
> 13). Which vowel is meant by Germanicists' <o with a hook>?
I'd agree with you that <o with a hook> is /O/.  At least, that's
how I understand it.

Greetings,

Jörg.

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