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[Q] is a vowel?! (...)

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
Date:Monday, February 23, 2004, 17:10

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:24:06 +0100,
Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

> Quoting Trebor Jung <treborjung@...>: > > > Merhaba! > > > > The result of reading Herman Miller's post > > > A2=ind0402d&L=conlang&F=&S=&P=5802 > > makes me want to reform XS. I mean, who's ever heard of spelling a vowel as > > a consonant except in...XS?! Even English didn't get it this wrong... > > Welsh comes to mind ...
I considered transcription schemes using _w_ or _q_ for vowels for my own Albic (formerly Hesperic) conlangs, where seven vowel phonemes exist, such that a,e,i,o,u,y aren't enough. However, I settled on using _ø_.
> > So would anyone be interested in actually reworking the system? If so, > > please contact me! > > There's been more suggestions to rework the X-SAMPA/CXS than Esperanto.
Which is indicative of how dissatisfying the system is. And that's why I made up my own system, CPA (wherein most of the more commonly used symbols are the same as in X-SAMPA or CXS, but the most unfortunate choices of X-SAMPA are avoided).
> I > could send you my system, but I'm afraid I'd have to rework it to Trebor- > readable format, and it does use a few consonantal signs to write vowels - 'Q' > and 'M', mainly.
In CPA, no consonant letters are used for vowel phonemes, though the digit [6] is used. In CPA, XS [M] is ["i] and XS [Q] is [6]. And the close-mid and open-mid front rounded vowels are ["o] and ["O]. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:37:13 -0700, Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 2004, at 3:12 AM, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote: > > > [...] > > That's because germanicists traditionally > > transcribe "open o" as an o with a hook below. > > Uppergase Q vaguely resembles this sign. > > As I've understood it, <open o> is represented in X-SAMPA by /O/. /Q/ > is X-SAMPA for <turned script a>, the low back rounded vowel (cardinal > 13). Which vowel is meant by Germanicists' <o with a hook>?
I'd agree with you that <o with a hook> is /O/. At least, that's how I understand it. Greetings, Jörg.


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