On Monday 24 March 2003 03:27 pm, Joe Fatula wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sally Caves" <scaves@...>
> To: <CONLANG@...>
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: question on sampa representation
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Fatula" <fatula3@...>
> >
> > > > Chutzpah? J. C. Wells?
> > >
> > > Tristan, if you're wondering why he gave a phonetic transcription
of
> > > "chutzpah", I have the same question.
> >
> > John gave it, I believe, because he was demonstrating to me the
difference
> > between the /U/ sound and the /V/ sound.
> > Put, pull, and putter, pun--in Americanese.
>
> Now I'm confused. Which is /U/ and which is /V/? In GA, or at least
as I
> pronounce it, the following sets have the same vowel.
>
> - put book foot
> - pull rule ghoul fool
> - putter pun rough lung judge
>
> So that's three different vowels. Can anyone help out here?
>
>
pull and rule are really the same for you? (pull and pool are the
same??)
In my dialect pull is way closer to book and foot. Pull and push and put
(= to place, not golf-related) have the same vowel, in fact.
Differences from the vowel in book are infinitesimal and probably
related to the surrounding consonants.
--
Elyse Grasso