Re: question on sampa representation

I think Roger may have misunderstood the discussion.  It's hard for me to
imagine any American dialect that would rhyme "bull" with "dull."  I know
that in certain parts of Philly, hurry, merry, and ferry all rhyme with the
heavy vowel /V/.  I dated someone whose sister would say "Muh-ree Christmas,
Sarah.  Huh-ree up Walt-uh!  Ya gonna miss the fuh-ree."

Sally Caves
scaves@frontiernet.net
Eskkoat ol ai sendran, rohsan nuehra celyil takrem bomai nakuo.
"My shadow follows me, putting strange, new roses into the world."



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tristan" <kesuari@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: question on sampa representation


> On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 16:16, Roger Mills wrote:
> > Not all (actually palatals and dentals are rarest).........
> > cull, gull, mull, null, dull, lull, cult, gulf, gulp, skull, bulb, pulp,
> > mulct, mulch, pulse
> > ultra, sultry, pulley, gully, sully, lullaby, fulminate, culminate,
> > refulgent, culprit, culpable, re/im/com/pulsive, inculcate,
>
> Pardon me? You have /U/ for most of those? Wow... American dialects
> differ more widely than I thought.
>
> (I have /6/ (my 'cut' vowel) in those that have just a single /l/ and
> /O/ (my 'cot' vowel) in those with /l/+a consonant, except pulley
> /"puli/ (u=full vowel, not fool vowel, which is phonetically the same
> but longer), fulminate /"fulm@%n&it/, culminate
> /"k6lm@%n&it/~/"kOlm@%n&it/. 'Inculcate' and 'mulct' I've never heard
> before, but at a guess I'd say they had the /O/ vowel. The /l/s may or
> may not be realised as [5], [u] or null, depending on various factors.)
>
> Tristan.
>