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Re: Newbie...intro to my conlang

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Friday, December 12, 2003, 22:08
In a message dated 2003:12:11 02:27:18 PM, christophe.grandsire@FREE.FR

>En réponse à Beau Didler : > >> if not Kerno/Brithenig as well, and I'm at a loss, >>because I hadn't gone to much into creoles, so I only know that the sub- >>strata language works to become like the superstratum, which in this case >>is English and French\Narbonosc, respectively. I imagine there will be >>heavy borrowing from Kerno/Brithening and any other languages in my IB >>Lousianne. Any help and discussion about this would be helpful. > >Hanuman, where are you?! As Master Creolist of the list, you ought to speak >up here :)) .
::blink-blink:: "Master Creolist" 0_o? ::big grin:: Ohboy!, this is a rather complicated issue and so I recommend the following books: - _Contact Languages: Pidgins and Creoles_ by Mark Sebba (ISBN 0-312-17571-X) - _Pidgins and Creoles: an introduction_ edited by Jacques Arends, Pieter Muysken and Norval Smith (Europe ISBN 90-272-5237-8/US ISBN 1-55619-170-7) Basically, creoles are highly stabilized pidgins with some form of written orthography. In a sense, creoles are literate 2nd generation pidgins ;) --- *DiDJiBuNgA!!* --- Hanuman "Stitch" Zhang, ManglaLanger (mangle + manga + lang) Language[s] change[s]: vowels shift, phonologies crash-&-burn, grammars leak, morpho-syntactics implode, lexico-semantics mutate, lexicons explode, orthographies reform, typographies blip-&-beep, slang flashes, stylistics warp... linguistic (R)evolutions mark each-&-every quantum leap... "Some Languages Are Crushed to Powder but Rise Again as New Ones" - title of a chapter on pidgins and creoles, John McWhorter, _The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language_ = ¡gw3rraa leg0set kaakaa! ¡riis3rvaa, saalvaa, riikuu, sk0paa-g0mii aen riizijkl0! = [Fight Linguistic Waste! Save, Salvage, Recover, Scavenge and Recycle!]