Re: OT: YAGPT: velar vs. uvular (was: my phonology)

--- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, "J. 'Mach' Wust" <j_mach_wust@Y...> wrote:

> Swiss /x/ and standard German /x/ have different sounds, but I'd say the
> difference is rather in the manner of articulation than in the point of
> articulation: Swiss /x/ tends to be lightly trilled [R\_0].
The trill is a good observation.

I seem to lift the lowermost end of the tongue a bit to go
from German to Swiss Ach, but maybe that's the mechanism
that produces the trill.



> Have you ever heard the Highest Alemannic dialect of Bernese
Oberland (very
> different from Bernese dialect). In words such as /xats/ 'cat', /'lax:@/
> 'laugh', or /'ts&:xni/ 'ten', they have a sound that's quite similar
to a
> [C], or at least much more similar to it than other Swiss
German/standard
> German pronunciations of /x/. It's often described as soft.
Doesn't ring a bell...  /'ts&:xni/ is pretty weird and urchig,
so it's plausible Bernese to me.  ;o)



> kry@s:
Ah, you've switched to [k]?  That feels less precise than
your former [g_0], seeing as I have [k] in, say "Ggoggi"
[koki] (Coke), distinct from [g_0] in "Grüess" [g_0ry@s:].
I'd just go for phonemic notation: /gry@s:/

@n S2:n@


-- Christian Thalmann