Re: OT: YAGPT: velar vs. uvular (was: my phonology)

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:45:04 -0000, Christian Thalmann <cinga@...> wrote:

>> Have you ever heard the Highest Alemannic dialect of Bernese
>> Oberland (very different from Bernese dialect). In words such as /xats/
>> 'cat', /'lax:@/ 'laugh', or /'ts&:xni/ 'ten', they have a sound that's
>> quite similar to a [C], or at least much more similar to it than other
>> Swiss German/standard German pronunciations of /x/. It's often described
>> as soft.
>
>Doesn't ring a bell...  /'ts&:xni/ is pretty weird and urchig,
>so it's plausible Bernese to me.  ;o)
No, it's not (we say /ts&:/ when adjectival and /'ts&ni/ when substantival);
it's typical Bernese Oberland. Note that this is one of the words where the
standard German (_zehn_) is really justified, and they still preserve it!


>> kry@s:
>
>Ah, you've switched to [k]?  That feels less precise than
>your former [g_0], seeing as I have [k] in, say "Ggoggi"
>[koki] (Coke), distinct from [g_0] in "Grüess" [g_0ry@s:].
>I'd just go for phonemic notation: /gry@s:/
[k] is my preferred analysis, since I don't believe in fortis/lenis, but
rather that it's a length distinction. I'd analyze _Ggoggi_ as /k:Ok:i/.

kry@_^s:
j. 'mach' wust

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