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Re: Metrical Stress, Feet, etc.

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Sunday, February 8, 2004, 20:18
En réponse à Ray Brown :


>But what I've never really got to grips with is French metrics which are >different from either the quantitative rhythms of ancient Greek and >Classical Latin or the stress based rhythms of English & other languages >with stress based rhythms. > >I dearly like to have one (or more) of our francophone conlangers >enlighten by you and me on French metrics.
I must say this surprises me greatly. I mean, the quantitative metrics and stress-based metrics are far more complicated than the French metrics, which are about as simple as you can make, so I fail to see what is complicated in French metrics... In French length does not exist and stress is not phonemic. As a result, all syllables are pronounced with the same length, whether unstressed or stressed. And French metrics are based on number of syllables, so simple it is! The "king" of verses in French is the "alexandrin", which means each verse is twelve syllables *exactly*, no more no less. Stress doesn't take part of it at all. Other verse forms are named after the number of syllables in the verse (another common verse is the "octosyllabe", i.e. eight syllables per verse. In French the terms "syllable" and "foot" are for most purposes synonymous. They are different in some cases because "syllable" refers to the written thing, while "foot" refers to the spoken thing. With all our silent final -e's, this means that words which in writing are two syllables are just one syllable in speaking, i.e. one foot. Something like "pierre": stone may be syllabified as two syllables "pier-re", but in speaking it's just one syllable /pjER/, and thus one foot. But that's something that English speaking people should understand, their spelling being full of those silent final -e's too :)) . So once you've understood that French metrics are based on the number of syllables in a verse and nothing else, you've understood everything about them! No wonder most of French poetry is based on the rhyme rather than the rhythm :) . Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

Replies

Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
John Cowan <cowan@...>
Philippe Caquant <herodote92@...>_ _ _ _Re:_Metrical_Stress,_Feet,_ etc.
Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>