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Re: Wikipedia:Verifiability - Mailing lists as sources

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
Date:Monday, February 25, 2008, 21:50

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:22:45 -0500, Rick Harrison wrote:

> I think auxiliary language enthusiasts seek a Wikipedia presence for their > projects in hopes of attracting users. I know of a couple of auxlangs that > sought/are seeking ISO 639-3 codes because having one is viewed as proof of > notability by some Wikipedia editors, and is a pre-requisite (I think) for > getting a Wikipedia _in_ the auxlang.
Sure, that's what auxlangers are after: peddling their scheme to anybody even remotely within reach - after all, they want the whole human race to speak their language. We artlangers ought to be aloof of such aspirations.
> No doubt it was the same desire for attention/participants that prompted one > person to use a bot to generate 100,000 article stubs in the Volapuek > Wikipedia. This raised the Volapuek Wikipedia's position in the list of > Wikipedias sorted by number of articles, attracting a lot of attention, not > all of it favorable. (One response was a proposal to delete the entire > Volapuek Wikipedia.)
> Presumably some artlangers would want their favorite projects to be listed > for similar reasons: a feeling that one's art is recognized as significant > and valid, or the possibility of attracting participants to collaborative > projects.
While I'd appreciate if the art of conlanging and conworlding was to gain more recognition, I am not taking it all too seriously. And the best way to popularize an artlang still is not a Wikipedia article, but a good book which features that artlang. After all, that's the way Tolkien's conlangs became popular. If JRRT had not written _The Lord of the Rings_ but instead _A Historical Grammar of the Eldarin Languages_, his languages would probably have been completely forgotten, if he had managed to get that book published at all.
> But Wikipedia is such a battleground I believe one has to think carefully > about how much energy one is willing to put into it. The influential editors > communicate with each other via secret mailing lists (see "Secret mailing > list rocks Wikipedia" in The Register, Dec 4 2007, linked from > so that they can gang up on anyone viewed as a heretic.
Secret mailing lists!?!?!?!?!? Jeepers Creepers! I seriously don't want to get involved with any business of that kind. ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf