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Re: Wikipedia:Verifiability - Mailing lists as sources

From:Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>
Date:Monday, February 25, 2008, 19:16
 --- Jörg Rhiemeier skrzypszy:

> > Hmmm - I don't really know what to say about this. > > On one hand, it is good that the Wikipedians are concerned about > the quality of their articles and thus are worried about the > reliability of the sources. On the other hand, I somehow feel > this goes a bit out of hand. To my taste, there is too much > deletionism in fashion. And it is a bit self-contradictory to > forbid references to open wikis if your own project itself is > an open wiki, isn't it?
That's exactly how I feel about it, too. I've been a moderately active wikipedian for about four or five years (although not primarily on wikipedia.en) and I cannot deny that much of the fun is gone. Deletionism has become fashionable, and the whole thing seems to have gone pretty bureaucratic, too. The benefit of the doubt has gone pretty much extinct, it seems. And in its place we constantly face tags, tags, and more tags. Right now, you virtually can't write a single word without having to add at least five references that prove it, otherwise you'll promptly get a tag. Or worse, your article is submitted for deletions. And when you look at the discussions about whether something should be deleted or not, all you see is abbreviations, all of which point to some policy page. Those discussions themselves are nothing new; but where in the past there had to be "rough consensus" for deletion, the present situation that the closing administrator himself decides which arguments are best. And yes, instead of contributing something sensible there are definitely a lot of people who spend a lot of time undermining other people's work. Sometimes I wonder why this is. Could it be the fact that Wikipedia.en has grown so much? That everyone who had something substantial to contribute has already done so? That said, I do agree with many of those policies regarding verifiability, notability and original research. But in my view they are pushing it. If it can be proven that something exists and is not the domain of interest of just one or a few persons, that should be enough to warrant an article. If everything you do is constantly being undermined by others, well, for me much of the fun is gone. I'm already tired of it. All that keeps me there is the Constructed Language Portal, which was largely my work and which I'm still quite fond of. If someone else would do the job for me, I'd be more than happy and withdraw from WP.EN altogether. Jan __________ "The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain." — G'Kar quoting G'Quon, Babylon 5 ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now.