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USAGE: [CONLANG] A discourse on Phonemics (was:

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Monday, May 6, 2002, 16:24
And Rosta scripsit:
> > John Cowan: > > And Rosta scripsit: > > > > > I've been trying to stay out of these accents of English threads -- too > > > addictive -- but here I shall lapse and point out that AusE has low > > > back vowels in _hot_ and _gone_, [hQt] and, for some speakers, at > > > least (as previously discussed on this list) [gQ:n]. > > > > But anomalously so, like /RQT/ for "wrath". For me, /Q/ is one of the most > > reliable markers of Not-My-Accent.
My error here: I should have been using square brackets, not slashes.
> I don't understand. Even if AusE has /Q/ in "wrath", it still has a low > back vowel phoneme, and anyway, where is the anomaly.
Actually my point was that the phone [Q] appears in only a few words in AusE, so it is still fair to say (phonemic analysis aside) that it has no low back vowel phones.
> As for /rQT/, that's > not an AusE preculiarity; rather, /raT/ is an AmE peculiarity. (Hence > British newspapers calling _Portnoy's complaint_ _The gripes of Roth_.)
I hear enough [rAT] and Bostonian [raT] to find the pun funny, but of course GA (and I) have [r&T]. -- John Cowan <jcowan@...> I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_


And Rosta <a-rosta@...>
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