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Re: Another Sketch: Palno

From:Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@...>
Date:Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 0:02
On 8/26/08, Alex Fink <000024@...> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:04:40 -0400, Logan Kearsley <chronosurfer@...> > wrote:
> >I leave them out. Weather verbs, for example, don't exist- rather than > >saying "It's raining", you'd say "rain falls". I can't think of any > >such concept that can't be re-lexed in a more convenient fashion > >(though I'd be fascinated to be presented with some). > > I don't have any convincing ones. (Anyone?)
This morning I woke, looked at the clock, and thought "Jam okas!" [It's already eight!] In gjâ-zym-byn the same thought would have been longer (for multiple reasons); because of its default subject rule (first person, or the same as the subject of the last sentence) it doesn't allow impersonal verbs. ðy-dâ-gla-van gwe šun kǒ. five-three-ORD.T-V.STATE already region this The local region is the topic of which the temporal verb is predicated, as in some weather-verb situations {purj} ("environment") is the topic. I render "it's raining" much the same as Logan's Palno, bly-van pwĭm. fall-V.STATE water but some other weather verbs, like "it's hot", seem to want {purj} as their subject. jâln-van purj. hot-V.STATE environment Contrast, ðy-dâ-gla i gwe šun kǒ, mǒj kâlĭfornjě-wam mĭ-i ðy-gla-van zen. It's already eight here, but only five in California. [lit., "but California only five-o'clocks."] These particular kinds of sentence would be terser if gzb allowed impersonal verbs like Esperanto, but I suspect the corpus as a whole would be less terse; sentences whose subject is the same as the previous sentence probably occur more often that sentences whose verb would be impersonal in E-o or a similar language, especially since the primary use for gzb is me keeping my journal. On 8/26/08, Logan Kearsley <chronosurfer@...> wrote:
> Or after the third, leaving an incomplete sentence. You can't tell > without the commas. They are absolutely required. It would be nice to > have a way around that, but I haven't found one yet.
How are the written commas represented in speech? Timing, stress, intonation...? Some conlangs have parenthetical or comma grammatical particles; parenthetical particles are better for disambiguating arbitrarily complex sentences, but I'm not sure they're natural enough for humans to learn to use them in realtime. -- Jim Henry Conlang fluency survey -- there's still time to participate before I analyze the results and write the article


Logan Kearsley <chronosurfer@...>
Veoler <veoler@...>