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Re: XSAMPA for /ts/?

From:BP Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Friday, April 25, 2003, 16:41
At 12:37 25.4.2003 +0100, Jan van Steenbergen wrote:

>Besides, I think [pf] is not strictly an affricate. A proper affricate >would be >either [p_p\] (labial) or [p*_f], where p* is my ad hoc invention for a >labiodental stop. Or am I wrong?
Actually it differs. According to my German book on phonology some Germans have bilabial [p\] and [B] for /f/ and /v/; for them [p_p\] is obviously a simple affricate. Still others have a labiodental [p_d] (MY ad-hoc transcription, since it looks somewhat nice in HTML-IPA! :) uniquely in the affricate which is (brace yourselves for the ugly transcription!:) [p_d_p\] for them. Still others have simply merged /p_f/ with /f/. I doubt there is a residue who actually have bilabial [p] + labiodental [f], but unsworn is best! / B.Philip Jonsson B^) -- mailto:melrochX@melroch.net (delete X!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No man forgets his original trade: the rights of nations and of kings sink into questions of grammar, if grammarians discuss them. -Dr. Samuel Johnson (1707 - 1784)