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Re: CHAT: XS vs. Kirshenbaum vs. Who-knows-what

From:Paul Roser <pkroser@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 16:03
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:28:35 +1030, Morgan Palaeo Associates
<morganpalaeo@...> wrote:

>> The point is that parens are used conventionally in IPA transcriptions >> to indicate a sound which may or may not be pronounced; thus "dance" >> may or may not have a [t] in it -- for me it definitely does, YPMV. >> If you pre-empt them for sounds, you have to find a substitute for >> this usage. > >Are they? I don't recall seeing this usage in use on the list or >elsewhere, and nor can I find it mentioned in any transcription >charts, SAMPA or otherwise. > >I don't believe I've ever heard "dance" pronounced without a [t]. I >generally hear it with [a:] rather than a [&:]. So for me, the two >pronunciations are [da:nts] (most common) and [d&:nts} (some speakers). >How would you indicate *these* alternatives? Would you put them >together as [d(a:/&:)nts] ? > >I'm leaving this as-is for the time being.
I've never seen IPA transcriptions that used ( ) to indicate vocalic alternations like [d(a:/&:)nts], but I have seen them used in the case of omissible segments like the /t/ in [d&:n(t)s] - which is frequently deleted in American speech, in my experience - though it also alternates with [d&:\Nts] for some people. I believe (t) is also used if the stop is very fleeting, but that's subject to individual transcriber's preferences. Might I suggest replacing vowels ( and ) with C+ and O+ ? Otherwise I like much of this system, though I agree with Muke (?) that pharyngeals would be better as h$ and H$. Bfowol