Re: substantive and noun

Christophe Grandsire wrote:
>
>En réponse à Muke Tever <mktvr@...>:
>
> >
> > Huh!  That is the opposite of what I learned.  I learned that
> > "substantive" is
> > the subset of "noun":
> >
> >     noun (L nomen, = name) substantive:
> >         what we normally call nouns
> >     noun adjective:
> >         what we normally call adjectives
> >     noun
> >         substantives & adjectives together.
> >
>
>Once again a result of the strange terminology used by English-speaking
>countries. Internationally (it's the definition I learnt), the noun is a
>subset
>of the substantive, not the other way round, and while noun and adjective
>can
>be opposed, substantive put them together, and adds the pronouns to the
>mix.
>
>It's very common for instance to use the term substantive to refer to both
>nouns and adjectives in languages which don't separate them formally.
In Swedish we use _substantiv_ for "noun" and _adjektiv_ for "adjective".
I've sometimes seen _nomen_ too - AFAICT it's entirely synonymous with
_substantiv_ (perhaps one of the list's Swedes with a linguistics education
can tell for sure).

                                              Andreas

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