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Re: Middle English question

From:Padraic Brown <pbrown@...>
Date:Saturday, July 31, 1999, 3:26
I seem to have caused a bit of an uproar!  From people I know, I
accept /'p& CrIk/, /'p& JrIk/ and two /pa 'dre Ik/s.  A select few
use /'pa: r@k/, /'pa:r rIk/ and /'pour Ik/ (these last from Gaelic
speakers).  Others have rendered the manglings given, I believe, by
Boudewijn, /'bu d@ 'wI Jn/ :) plus /p 'Dr& ki/, /'pe DrIk/, /'pe Drek/,
/'pe Dri &k/ and others.  Oh, and there's /'pa: drIg/ in Brithenig and
/'pa trEk kos/ in Kemrese Legal Latin.

If I remember aright, Brithenig's vocative would be /'ba: drIg/.  Kernu,
having proper cases, yields:
nom. /'pa: trEx/        <-  Patrics
voc. /'fa: trIk/        <-  Phatrick
dat. /'pa: trek/        <-  Patreick
acc. /'(m)ba: trEk/     <-  mBatricce

I know, spelling doesn't help. :)


On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Josh Brandt-Young wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:58:17 -0500 Tom Wier <artabanos@...> > writes: > > >> > Padraic (yes, it's pronounced exactly as it's spelled!). > >> > >> What, like /pa:-'dra:-Ik/, or like /'pa:-draykh/? or even > >> /p@-'draykh/? (If anyone can decipher my particular travesty > >> of ASCII-IPA). > > > >I'd assume like /p@dreiIk/ -- but perhaps we had best let Padraic > >himself tell us. :) > > Though I don't know how Padraic chooses to pronounce it, I *can* say > roughly how it's pronounced in Irish Gaelic: padraic [pQdr@k'], where [Q] > is an open, back, unrounded vowel (IPA turned script A) and the final "k" > is slightly palatalized. [@] isn't quite right...I think the vowel is a > bit higher. But ah well. Note that it's also spelt "Padraig"; I think > which one is used is largely a matter of preference. > > And then the vocative form is, I think, "A Phadraic," but I'm starting to > reach the end of my knowledge at this point. :) > > ---------- > Josh Brandt-Young <neonwave7@...> > > "After the tempest, I behold, once more, the weasel." > (Mispronunciation of Ancient Greek) > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: >